Earlier quoted context omitted.
You could argue for uniformity in the logarithmic domain just as well.
But the buckets in the poll are even more ubequal on a logarithmic scale than on a linear scale.
Yes. Logarithmic was just an example.
Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the other hand London is more expensive than Silicon Valley and salaries are much lower. The correlation to cost of living is loose at best. In the case of Silicon Valley I'm convinced it's actually the tech money that raises the cost of living.
Salaries in Britain are in general lower than the US, especially as measured by purchasing power parity; the difference is about 30%. This is recouped in theory by the increased services provided by the British government (e.g. NHS and the Dole). On the other hand, New York is more expensive than the Valley and salaries are, IIRC, even higher.
Actually this is a big misconception in UK/Europe. Unless you are a independent software contractor you get insurance thro your company in US. So the salary posted here excludes the benefits (insurance, vacation, 401k etc)...
IMO, with lesser US taxes & cost of living the US software programmer makes atleast twice than that of his eurpoean counterpart!
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#133I'm simply astounded at how many people checked "less than 60k," but I guess I've been living in a bubble. I make 80k, and I'm a 19 year-old intern.
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#134If you look at how salaries are distributed across the US public, the 60k - 100k category is way too large while 151k-200k should probably be just one range and not two. As someone who hires programmers, I am much more interested in how many people make between 60-70, 70-85, and 85-100.
Heh I read that as "as someone who pays developers, I am much more interested in the low end, or at least believing that most developers are that cheap"
That's not a fair reinterpretation. The parent hires for positions that pay <$100k. It's fair that he/she would be more interested for fine degrees of scale at the general range the company hires for.
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#135This has got me thinking. I would literally pay someone to figuratively sit down with me, go through what I've done/can do etc and then based off their experiences tell me what I could be getting. Of course, it won't be too accurate and location makes a big difference but perhaps an enlightened recruiter type with a bit of experience in a couple of parts of the world could give a ballpark figure, say X in SV, Y in NY…
recruiters are not your friend and are incentivized to place you quickly, not necessarily at top dollar.
But, if you give them guidelines, they can work well with you. If you're currently in the $150k range and you want to get to $200k but don't know how, talk to your local friendly recruiter over coffee. They'll even buy. As long as you're clear with them that you won't accept an offer for a penny less than , they won't waste your time. They will also tell you if you have no chance of getting a job through normal means at that price range given your current skills and experience.
At least, most of the ones who are working for independent recruiting/placement firms that I've met hanging out here in Chicago will do that. YMMV elsewhere.
Certainly, if you just respond to the first recruiter who mails you after finding your resume via a random web search and industry-appropriate keywords, you'll get about what you put into it. If you're having trouble finding a reasonable one, either ask a friend or find them via your peers at companies you would like to work at on LinkedIn. Recruiters live there. And again, not the recruiters working for the company; try to hit up the independent ones if you want to have a lower-pressure conversation.
Those poor corporate recruiters are in a perpetual pressure cooker to fill their available headcount.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it adds value but I have also created a richer survey here ( https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey... ) The raw anonymous results will be shared on HN in a few days w/analysis.
How about a seniority/years of experience field?
I agree that this is a good thing to add to the poll but I've always had a funny feeling about the importance of experience in programming. Some people learn faster than others and can get 10 years' worth of (average) experience in 5. I think that a more accurate metric would be to find out how many different situations, defined as working with different platforms, languages, markets and libraries, a person has been in. This would probably need to be coupled with the person's IQ to guesstimate how much they gain from each change.
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#137Off-topic:
You've got two typos. The {first,last} option should be "{Less,More} than {6,20}0K".
I've always wondered about this particular typo. I've caught myself do it but extremely rarely. And that's just me being occasionally erratic. However, since you've got it twice, I'm wondering: do you even know that it is incorrect? I have this theory that those who learned to speak English before learning to write it never had to pay attention to this.
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#138From the author of the poll further down:
my NYC salary of $176,000
That explains (to me) a lot the choice of ranges for the poll. $176k seems to be on the high-end worldwide.
Overall, because of the buckets and the problem with the wide variations over location, the results will be mostly useless. However, it's still getting upvotes (though much less than actual votes on the poll), most probably because of the fact that most people really want to know how much others are making. Is it because they're not sure they're being taken advantage of?
The salary taboo is an odd thing if you think about it. It's really at the advantage of the employers and employees overall would most likely all benefit from knowing how much others are making. Also, they are a lot of regular people whose salaries are public (engineers, nurses, doctors… working for local governments for example) and their lives are fine :) Yet, it's hard to even ask how much somebody makes, let alone share yours.
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#139I love being in a profession where the lowest tier on a salary poll is "Less than 60k."
For now. There's a hiring crunch on which is driving up salaries. If/when that ends, expect to see them trend toward the population mean.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
I live in San Francisco and it is probably 138% more expensive than Miami, FL. A cheapo 1br in the city runs around $1200 a month. Nice places cost $1500-2500 a month. I'm paying $2k a month myself but it's a really nice place w a Golden Gate Bridge, Alcatraz, and city view. How much are places in Miami?
i've lived in SF for 6 years. I have no idea where you can get nice 1BR place with GG Bridge and Bay Views for $2k! Let us know!
Oooh, sorry, I messed this one up. To clarify, I live in a 2br with a friend and it's $4k a month for the both of us. $2k a person.