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Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by londons_explore »

Zhyl wrote: post #37
open-paren wrote: post #11

Apparently, they have their own search index, which they say covers ~95% of queries, and if the results aren't in the index, it will then get it from Google or Bing. I'd love some more details on how this works. They probably aren't scraping the whole web. Are they just mirroring Bing and Google indexes? They seem to have their own page ranking algorithm that they're hoping to get trained.

In December '19 the company that would end up being acquired by Brave did a number of blog posts [0] where they explained the tech. The short answer is 'a lot of word2vec'. [0] https://www.0x65.dev/

Word2vec has its limitations... I assume by now they've trained their own GPT-3-like model on the data...

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by nmx- »

jtdev wrote: post #62
robbrown451 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering how this censoring process you envision actually played out at Google. Like did an executive tell an underling to hide this information from the world? I'm genuinely curious.

Do you believe that Google doesn't engage in censoring search results? Do you know that YouTube was taking down the video of said incident yesterday and continues to do so today? https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/02/09/google-quietly-esc...

Do you have other sources than breitbart?

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by zanethomas »

scoopertrooper wrote: post #100
bart__ wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What am I supposed to see? All engines give the same or very similar results for me

Probably some conspiracy nonsense.

I'm not sure why you think it's relevant to make such a remark without a shred of evidence regarding my thoughts.

I left it for the readers to form their own opinion. Something you apparently are loath to do.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by smoldesu »

whimsicalism wrote: post #129
smoldesu wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People want a browser with an ad-blocker, and are too lazy to configure it themselves. Brave adds it and starts some "tell your friends" marketing hype. The rest writes itself.

> People want a browser with an ad-blocker, and are too lazy to configure it themselves. It's always shocked me, but this really is the case. I make a habit to install an adblocker (if they consent) whenever using a friend's computer, and have had many thank me for doing so a week later, saying what a huge difference it is - but none had thought it was worth the "effort" before. ?????

The world of postmodern software really is confusing.

Re: Brave Search beta

#135

Post by JeremyBanks »

jonathansampson wrote: post #91
mrpf1ster wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DuckDuckGo allows you to do a Google search by prepending "!g" to any query. So usually I do that for the last 5% of queries that DDG fails on.

You can use !g on Brave Search too, or turn on Fallback Mixing in Brave Search Settings, which will anonymously call out to Google and pull in results as needed. This helps to train the nascent engine more rapidly. I hope this helps!

Is that legal?

Re: Brave Search beta

#136

Post by zanethomas »

zanethomas wrote: post #130
bart__ wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What am I supposed to see? All engines give the same or very similar results for me

At least for me I saw that the search results for google were similar to brave while those for duckduckgo were similar to those from bing.

The detractor below apparently fails to understand that searching for controversial topics is a great way to see which search engines are similar, or relying on the results from other engines.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by bleachedsleet »

evdoks wrote: post #84
open-paren wrote: post #11

Apparently, they have their own search index, which they say covers ~95% of queries, and if the results aren't in the index, it will then get it from Google or Bing. I'd love some more details on how this works. They probably aren't scraping the whole web. Are they just mirroring Bing and Google indexes? They seem to have their own page ranking algorithm that they're hoping to get trained.

Check this recent podcast with Brave‘s founder, where, among other things, he is talking about how the search is implemented: https://podcasts.apple.com/de/podcast/modern-finance/id13386...

Never heard of this show before, but it got a new subscriber out of me. Thanks for the link to this!

Re: Brave Search beta

#138

Post by [deleted] »

zzyzxd wrote: post #46

Previous related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26328758 If things go as planned, this may become a paid, ad-free, zero-tracking search engine. I can't express how exciting this is to me. Over the past few years, I have made several attempts to replace Google Search with DuckDuckGo. But they have all failed and I always ended up changing the default search engine back to Google. I mean, DDG worked f…

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Re: Brave Search beta

#139

Post by rglullis »

scoopertrooper wrote: post #90
x4e wrote: post #52

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Funny how their posts show such a different approach to their browser than Braves. E.g. forking Firefox not Chromium, implementing functionality as extension instead of in browser where possible...

> If all browsers end up using Blink (Google), the Web will suffer as developers will only optimize and test for the Blink rendering engine. Am I the only one that thinks that this would be a good thing? Like the entire industry sharing the same core open source technology? Write a website once and it works perfectly across all platforms?

No monopoly or monoculture, even if open source, is good. It is not just about the features that you think makes your life better, you have also to consider the potential catastrophic bugs that could be exploited and leave everyone without an alternative.

Evolution only happens when there is divergence and competition.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by slver »

zzyzxd wrote: post #46

Previous related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26328758 If things go as planned, this may become a paid, ad-free, zero-tracking search engine. I can't express how exciting this is to me. Over the past few years, I have made several attempts to replace Google Search with DuckDuckGo. But they have all failed and I always ended up changing the default search engine back to Google. I mean, DDG worked f…

> I have made several attempts to replace Google Search with DuckDuckGo. But they have all failed and I always ended up changing the default search engine back to Google.

Hmm...

> Brave Search beta is based on an independent index, the first of its kind. However, for some queries, Brave can anonymously check our search results against third-party results, and mix them on the results page.

That's also what DDG does. If you don't like DDG, odds you'll like some even smaller effort are quite to zero.

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