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World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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We keep talking about how tech should be used to make a net positive change yet we allow this glorified linked list that has 0 real world benefits after a decade to get a pass because some man children run around promising it's the future.

I think it's censorship resistant and permissionless properties make it pretty impressive.

Is it censorship resistant? Couldn't state easily enough attack it at any sufficiently large point it contacts with real economy? They degree certain wallets being tainted. And then promise to jail anyone who deals with coins from these, receive them and transmit on to anywhere but government controlled wallets and face jail time? For one scenario, or just tell exchanges or like to confiscate any coins coming from certain addresses...

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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I feel like a lot of people posting in this thread would benefit from reading Dang's post [0] from a few days ago about how shallow cryptocurrency discussions tend to be on HN and how we should all aim for a better level of discourse. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27497207

Is there a term for this kind of "shallow" discussions/responses? E.g. if headline is about X but in the vicinity of Y the thread gets filled with generic comments about Y that have nothing to do with X. It's obviously not exclusive to HN. I keep seeing it on reddit all the time and it's really tiring.

> E.g. if headline is about X but in the vicinity of Y the thread gets filled with generic comments about Y that have nothing to do with X

Exactly! I created an ASK HN a while back on this. It received a lot of feedback. It appears many long-time HN readers are tired of it.

You can see it here; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27287700

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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Countries that use the USD for their official currency, and are not a part of the US, have a broken financial system. They need to fix that to a point where they can implement their own sovereign currency.

Countries that use the Euro for their official currency, and are not the European Union, have a broken financial system. They need to fix that to a point where they can implement their own sovereign currency.

Doesn't really change anything which foreign currency they would use, be it pound, yuan, franc, riyal etc....

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree strongly with the tiresome comment, and I am a bag holder and have been interested in monetary policy and economics my entire life - but not enough to read the same 10 comments over and over every day. In answer to your question, technically no, but realistically yes. Technically, BTC “transactions” can happen "on paper", the keys can be physically handed off to each other, etc (there are plenty of possible a…

You're wrong about lightening. It costs a fraction of a cent per transaction and is meant for everyday transactions. For very large transactions, it is wiser to use the main BTC network since there is lower risk. Edit: I'm forbidden to reply but not to edit, so I'll reply to your comment below here. Reply: Yes. The thing you were wrong about was that lightning is not meant for everyday transactions. It actually is.

Yes I agree with the cost and speed (which I mentioned) however lightning does require being connected over the internet.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conspiracy theory about moving off the petrodollar, presumably.

One other thing - I hate the term "conspiracy theory". It was literally coined by the CIA to discredit discussion of actual conspiracies. But that's just another crazy conspiracy theory for another HN thread.

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Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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post #128
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One other thing - I hate the term "conspiracy theory". It was literally coined by the CIA to discredit discussion of actual conspiracies. But that's just another crazy conspiracy theory for another HN thread.

> The Oxford English Dictionary defines conspiracy theory as "the theory that an event or phenomenon occurs as a result of a conspiracy between interested parties; spec. a belief that some covert but influential agency (typically political in motivation and oppressive in intent) is responsible for an unexplained event". It cites a 1909 article in The American Historical Review as the earliest usage example,[37][38] a…

Sorry, popularized would have been more accurate. Or perhaps weaponized. The term did exist before then, but the usage wasn't prevalent, and more directed at actual "conspiracies" - multiple entities, such as businesses or political rivals, working together illicitly

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree strongly with the tiresome comment, and I am a bag holder and have been interested in monetary policy and economics my entire life - but not enough to read the same 10 comments over and over every day. In answer to your question, technically no, but realistically yes. Technically, BTC “transactions” can happen "on paper", the keys can be physically handed off to each other, etc (there are plenty of possible a…

You're wrong about BTC transactions happening on physical paper with no connection to the network. It's not possible.

Yep, dead wrong. If you hand someone a private key, you now both have control of those coins.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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A lot of these Bitcoin threads get old. The detractors, the pumpers, the bag hodlers ... it's all so tiresome. Here's something I want answered (all three parties are invited to respond): Is there a dependency on mature internet infrastructure that exists for a country to adopt BTC as its currency? Seems like there is to me, but maybe I'm not fully appreciating how this works or am overestimating the connectivity req…

Mature internet infrastructure? No. Only perhaps if you want a whole bunch of validating (full) nodes, and only then for the initial bootstrapping and the whole hassle of downloading the entire blockchain up to that point, but past that, even for non-custodial wallets (AKA your keys therefore your coins), broadcasting a transaction takes very little. For context, I'm running a full node from Venezuela. The initial bo…

So a buyer can pay a seller in Bitcoin with minimal internet connection.

Note that the volatility of Bitcoin introduces a another requirement: Both parties also need fairly recent data from a Bitcoin exchange to find a price at which the transaction is mutually beneficial.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

#139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree strongly with the tiresome comment, and I am a bag holder and have been interested in monetary policy and economics my entire life - but not enough to read the same 10 comments over and over every day. In answer to your question, technically no, but realistically yes. Technically, BTC “transactions” can happen "on paper", the keys can be physically handed off to each other, etc (there are plenty of possible a…

You're wrong about BTC transactions happening on physical paper with no connection to the network. It's not possible.

Technically yes, a “transaction” is on-network - but one can trade wallets (eg: trading paper keys or “Physical bitcoins”). The definition of the word “transaction” is the important bit here.

Re: World Bank rejects El Salvador request for Bitcoin help

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post #33

We keep talking about how tech should be used to make a net positive change yet we allow this glorified linked list that has 0 real world benefits after a decade to get a pass because some man children run around promising it's the future.

"glorified linked list" is a pretty big straw-man, besides being short-sighted.

innovation of blockchain is not entirely the tech, but what it ultimately enables socio-politically.

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