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Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by Nullabillity » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 10:03 PM UTC

handrous wrote: post #90

bluescrn wrote: post #81

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> A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing Doesn't the sandboxing and limited access to the file system get in the way? Can you export video to non-Apple formats, collaborate with other people via a version control system, easily import footage from non-Apple devices, and so on? Can you even cleanly separate your video editing project from your personal holiday photos/videos? (Does iPad…

> Doesn't the sandboxing and limited access to the file system get in the way? Why would it get in the way? Any video editing software on it's going to be designed with that in mind, and will share with other video-related software just fine. Lots of desktop video editing software (Premiere, to pick one) start with "OK, step 1, import all the clips/videos for this project into this program" so even in the worst case…

> Why would it get in the way?

How do plugins work on iOS?

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by sithadmin » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 10:04 PM UTC

samatman wrote: post #129

sithadmin wrote: post #97

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As someone with formal training and experience in video production with Final Cut Pro and Premiere...I find editing on iPad to be an utterly infuriating experience. I gave it a sincere try, but the UX is so utterly subpar that it's simply not worth the time or effort anymore. The file management on iOS is atrocious: support by various editing apps is questionable at best, and even if it wasn't, it's incredibly slow.…

Editing video on the iPad is, it pains me to say, "disruptive". I believe you when you say it's infuriating to someone with formal training, used to the professional tools. I wouldn't know, this is how I've taught myself to edit video. It's inferior and the software is cheaper. The hardware isn't necessarily, but it sure is if you own an iPad and don't have a dedicated machine for editing video. And the experience is…

I generally agree with you and recognize that I'm coming at this from a somewhat niche perspective.

I think the thing that frustrates me the most is that Apple has repeatedly failed to fix the performance and usability issues related to file management that have plagued iOS/iPad OS since the feature was introduced. Fixing the poor performance + increasing versatility of the file manager (or allowing 3rd party file managers like Android) would massively improve the editing workflow on iPads, and for me, would probably push it into the 'good enough' tier of performance that might lead me to leave my MacBook at home when editing video on the road.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by jonny_eh » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 10:09 PM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #121

machello13 wrote: post #94

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> A 13 inch screen Ipad pro with a keyboard and 2TB of memory is $2500. The 2TB memory is accounting for like half the cost there. You can get a model with less built-in memory and just use an external drive and the price drops down to like $1400.

Or Apple could stop ripping off their customers and we could just be comfortable paying them a reasonable amount of money for a reasonable amount of storage. Is that too much to ask?

Onboard storage is just more expensive.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by megameter » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 10:10 PM UTC

samatman wrote: post #129

sithadmin wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone with formal training and experience in video production with Final Cut Pro and Premiere...I find editing on iPad to be an utterly infuriating experience. I gave it a sincere try, but the UX is so utterly subpar that it's simply not worth the time or effort anymore. The file management on iOS is atrocious: support by various editing apps is questionable at best, and even if it wasn't, it's incredibly slow.…

Editing video on the iPad is, it pains me to say, "disruptive". I believe you when you say it's infuriating to someone with formal training, used to the professional tools. I wouldn't know, this is how I've taught myself to edit video. It's inferior and the software is cheaper. The hardware isn't necessarily, but it sure is if you own an iPad and don't have a dedicated machine for editing video. And the experience is…

There's definitely some latent potential for video editing to be redefined along broader task-and-genre lines. That is, in essence, the difference between "consumer" and "pro", because a pro is burdened by having to reshape the medium in utmost detail to fit a structure that they planned, while a consumer expects a readymade media which simply "filters" their efforts through a predefined strategy.

Since video editing is no longer governed by literal machinery, it can deprofessionalize into a set of smaller consumer languages, though if you imagine all the forms of editing that exist, it's unlikely that we'll have total coverage anytime soon.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by amatecha » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 10:19 PM UTC

foobarian wrote: post #109

vlunkr wrote: post #99

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> tricked out desktop (intended for gamers, I think) Generally this is just a marketing/SEO thing. A huge percentage of desktop hardware and accessories get the word "Gaming" slapped on the front even though they have nothing to do with gaming. Keyboards, mice, mousepads, headsets, speakers, monitors, cables, etc.

Unfortunately these days it seems to be the only way to get a Nvidia 30x0 GPU. (By getting a pre-built computer).

Indeed, I know a few people who have been holding out for months and months to buy a GPU on its own.. and they have settled for just purchasing a whole prebuilt system because they're sick of waiting. Pretty frustrating all around :(

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by nsxwolf » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 10:19 PM UTC

alliao wrote: post #64

egypturnash wrote: post #40

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All of those musician's workstations have the actual computer hidden somewhere out of sight. There's a monitor or two, a computer keyboard lying around(all wireless, it looks like?), but all those desks are dominated by musical keyboards, mixer boards, and speakers. Sometimes there's a laptop sitting on it. All the cables are hidden, out of the way. Take away the monitors and the computer keyboard, substitute a coupl…

I'm a gamer and my rig is a mini itx tucked away. I like it quiet and performant. Yes the market slaps RGB lighting on anything and everything gamer but it's up to gamers to buy them.

I find the lights to be fun. I'm playing a game after all :)

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by smoldesu » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 10:20 PM UTC

simonh wrote: post #128

smoldesu wrote: post #118

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The iPad Pro is a device that definitely can edit video, but I really only use it as a last resort. For me it has never been a question of power, but a question of comfort: the M1 could be the fastest CPU in the world, but what do I care when I can't run 32 bit software on it! And then there's the ergonomics... unless you're using a mouse/keyboard with the iPad, it's an insufferable experience: even then, it's not a…

What’s wrong with 64 bit software?

Arguably, a lot of the same things that are wrong with 32 bit software. If we're being pedantic, both of them should still be supported: but they aren't.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by js2 » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 10:34 PM UTC

rossdavidh wrote: post #50

My 15-year old daughter just recently got her first desktop. Why? Well, because instead of just consuming (which she does on her phone) or doing homework (chromebook), she wanted to do video editing, and also drawing using a Wacom tablet. She found that the non-desktop options were just not that great. Had it been a passing fancy, no doubt she would have done without the desktop, but it wasn't, so she got a tricked o…

> My 15-year old daughter just recently got her first desktop. Why? Well, because instead of just consuming (which she does on her phone) or doing homework (chromebook), she wanted to do video editing, and also drawing using a Wacom tablet. She found that the non-desktop options were just not that great.

My about-to-be-a-college-junior daughter has been creating for years on an iPad, and she's pretty good at it. She's transferring to VCU this fall for their graphic arts program and we just set her up with a new MBP and a Wacom Intuos. She started to practice on it but finds the experience of the external tablet and viewing an image on screen much less appealing than drawing directly on her iPad.

For certain tasks, the iPad is superior input device.

Maybe someday the iPad won't be hobbled by iOS and it will be fully suitable for desktop tasks too.

(Currently typing this on an iPad air with smart keyboard.)

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by ozim » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 10:37 PM UTC

asperous wrote: post #18

For the average person this might be kind true, however I can think of at least three places where desktop computers are very much cultural and symbolic: * “Gamers” or other enthusiasts with their battlestations [1] * Finace workstations with many monitors and Bloomberg terminals [2] * Potentially musician workstations as well [3] Any other niche ideas? [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/battlestations/ [2] https://images.…

Obviously software developers.

If I would not be a software dev I would ditch laptop/computer and go with mobile phone alone. For day to day reading/banking/mailing all I need is there.

I think I could go full mobile phone if I would have cloud server + cloud IDE because I can connect big screen to the phone with mouse and keyboard anyway. Only dev tools are not really accessible on Android/IOS.

Having everything I need to work on single device that allows me to jump on the plane and go anywhere, that is great idea. Well maybe I would need to carry a keyboard and mouse but I hope that screens will be available in every hotel room/office space with option to connect with a phone.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by armadsen » Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 10:38 PM UTC

handrous wrote: post #90

bluescrn wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing Doesn't the sandboxing and limited access to the file system get in the way? Can you export video to non-Apple formats, collaborate with other people via a version control system, easily import footage from non-Apple devices, and so on? Can you even cleanly separate your video editing project from your personal holiday photos/videos? (Does iPad…

> Doesn't the sandboxing and limited access to the file system get in the way? Why would it get in the way? Any video editing software on it's going to be designed with that in mind, and will share with other video-related software just fine. Lots of desktop video editing software (Premiere, to pick one) start with "OK, step 1, import all the clips/videos for this project into this program" so even in the worst case…

> collaborate with other people via a version control system

LumaFusion has pretty nice integration with Frame.io, which is as close to something like GitHub for video as I'm aware of.

(Disclaimer: My day job is as an engineer working on LumaFusion.)