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Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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Post by fvold »

intricatedetail wrote: post #109

> and seized more than 3,000 kilograms of drugs and $45 million in cash and assets. Excuse me, but I can't stop laughing. Three years effort to catch a small fish and they sell it as if they got bust of the century. Why don't they investigate politicians that facilitate prohibition and enable these gangs to work in the first place? Police can't see they run fool's errands.

The big blow isn't the amount of drugs or cash taken, it's the grabbing of relatively high ranking people in the organization, and the absolute shattering of their communication.

I bet a bunch of them will go back to in-person communication only for a long while after this, slowing things down considerably.

Re: Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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Post by dagw »

cromka wrote: post #70

What we've learned is only what was in Austrlia's piece of the cake, given they started their day already. New Zeland had theirs already, too. I imagine thousands of arrests are still happening worldwide and several press conferences are going to be held today. Looking at the seal of the operation ( https://www.anom.io/trojan_shield_seal.jpg ), following countries participated in the operation: Canada, Australia, US,…

Sweden just announced 155 arrests: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/europol-berattar-om-det-o...

Re: Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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Post by fvold »

rohanstake wrote: post #54

Good that they arrested the culprits. But infiltrating the encrypted messaging app isn't the best thing I guess. The argument, it is used by criminals is flawed. Because everything is - water pipelines, cash, facebook, and so on.

This was specifically seeded into the criminal world. It's not like they cracked Signal, or whatever.

It's not an infiltration of the app, it's an infiltration of the criminal organizations, using an app they made.

Re: Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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Post by yawaworht1978 »

jakub_g wrote: post #52
dt3ft wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Food for thought: Telegram estimated costs for 2021 based on 675 million monthly active users (MAU) are $220 Million. Yet, the app is somehow free to use. Where does the money to cover the costs come from?

$220M is not pocket money, but Durov's net worth is apparently $17.2B, so he could afford it for a few more years https://www.forbes.com/profile/pavel-durov/

Thanks for this, what about Moxie? Who covers those costs?

Re: Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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Post by mdoms »

cromka wrote: post #70

What we've learned is only what was in Austrlia's piece of the cake, given they started their day already. New Zeland had theirs already, too. I imagine thousands of arrests are still happening worldwide and several press conferences are going to be held today. Looking at the seal of the operation ( https://www.anom.io/trojan_shield_seal.jpg ), following countries participated in the operation: Canada, Australia, US,…

I think you're drawing an extremely long bow on this.

Re: Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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Post by inigojonesguy »

nexuist wrote: post #68
iJohnDoe wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not funny. Pretty much worse fucking case scenario. Imagine Signal, Telegram, or any other app that touts themselves as a secure app is really just the creation of the FBI, NSA, CIA, and NRO. Remember, yesterday’s conspiracy theory is today’s reality.

If you're not already operating under the assumption that TLAs have full access to your entire online history, there's really no point in trying to start now. Use secure apps like Signal to hide your information from hackers, thieves, and generic script kiddies, not to hide from national security agencies. Especially when said agency can send a van to your house to take all your digital equipment (fully legally if ba…

Many people like me wish to hide from Google and Microsoft, not from NSA. Because of two widespread reasons.

- I don't want to have a personalized experience on the net.

- I don't want Google algorithms to hide my new bike frame invention because I also posted an opinion about bing censoring tank man, or about Google cache as commons.

Re: Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

jeltz wrote: post #126
wruza wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Western naivety. Unbound / fake data SIM cards are sold in boxes by carrier’s employees.

You can still buy SIM cards in Sweden in stores without presenting an ID.

Even in countries where you can still buy a SIM card without ID, once you use your bank card to buy more credit for the SIM (and in Sweden you always will, because cash is basically dead there), it is trivial for the authorities to link the phone number to your real identity.

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Post by Thorentis »

andruby wrote: post #73
killingtime74 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or even foreign state actors

The FBI, from the viewpoint of 95% of the world, is “a foreign state actor”.

Not country-wise. The US has many first world allies that cooporerate with the FBI on a second party basis.

Re: Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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Post by Thorentis »

iJohnDoe wrote: post #26
senectus1 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

from what I understand they developed the app themselves... marketed and pushed the app to certain "dark markets" and let them use the apps and devices as if they were secure. they were in fact real time monitoring every transaction. amazing really. and pretty funny if you asked me :-P

Not funny. Pretty much worse fucking case scenario. Imagine Signal, Telegram, or any other app that touts themselves as a secure app is really just the creation of the FBI, NSA, CIA, and NRO. Remember, yesterday’s conspiracy theory is today’s reality.

Except that we can see exactly what is being sent from our devices since Signal is open source. Even if the servers are run by the FBI, at best they have a whole bunch of encrypted messages (which they could get by wire tapping anyway).

Re: Australian Federal Police and FBI nab underworld figures using encrypted app

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Post by rorykoehler »

intricatedetail wrote: post #109

> and seized more than 3,000 kilograms of drugs and $45 million in cash and assets. Excuse me, but I can't stop laughing. Three years effort to catch a small fish and they sell it as if they got bust of the century. Why don't they investigate politicians that facilitate prohibition and enable these gangs to work in the first place? Police can't see they run fool's errands.

This was exactly my thought too. The numbers they quoted in the Europol press conference are a drop in the ocean.
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