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“Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

#131
Interestingly, I don't really see any 'other side' of the story here. It's the same story:

1. Christel sells 'something' to Andrew while under apparent financial distress.

2. Tomaw somehow learns that Andrew is willing to take over operational matters and tries to act against it.

3. Andrew keeps pushing his authority using titles such as 'Board of Freenode' and 'Chairman of Freenode'.

4. Volunteers actually running Freenode don't feel like working for free for a for-profit company and leave to found Libera.chat.

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

#132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You keep saying this, and people keep telling you they have read the PDF. Perhaps it's helpful for you to hear this stated plainly: the PDF is inscrutable, and does not say clearly what you seem to believe it does. The announcement you link to here is itself clear as mud and has been quoted by your opponents. It says Freenode and PIA are "joining forces", "in the same family", but "continue to operate as a not-for-pr…

> There will be few noticeable changes in terms of day-to-day operations, the freenode project will continue to operate with much the same structure and volunteer base as it does now." And it absolutely did until it didn’t (as per the meeting agenda notes) as you can see. Thanks for helping to make that part clear.

Again: it's not clear from anything you've said why those meeting notes were problematic for you, since the one thing announced terms of the arrangement between PIA and Freenode do seem to make clear is that you were not to be operationally involved in Freenode.

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

#133

This just muddies the waters further. Let's get concrete: What assets does Freenode have, and who legally owns them?

As far as I can tell "freenode" is a fairly blurry mix of:

The brand, including the DNS: that was passed on between people and then sold within the Freenode Limited company. If you have this you can point the blog and the network to whatever you want but you don't actually have an IRC network to point it to.

The servers: these are donated by various organizations and thus owned by each one. They could join any other IRC network tomorrow or just be turned off by any of those organizations.

The staff: all volunteers that apparently left in mass as they didn't like what was happening. As far as we know they don't have any employment contract with Freenode Limited.

The actual channel/nick data: this is what actually makes the network recognizable to anyone and it's quite unclear where that is and who owns it. Are the Nickserv/Chanserv servers separate and owned by a particular entity or just sharded/replicated across the donated servers?

That last bit seems to be the crucial one. The data is supposedly stored on those donated servers and was operated by that volunteer staff, so owning the DNS wouldn't give you too strong of a claim to it. But apparently the staff was indeed forced to hand the keys over on their way out and start from scratch instead of just standing up the same data on another DNS and doing a blockchain style split. Why this happened seems to be IRC drama. Exactly who has legal rights seems extremely muddy, both because we lack a lot of information, and because it's possibly a thorny issue even for a judge to adjudicate with full briefs. If you buy a DNS that points to a volunteer run network on donated servers do you now own the network that exists there and evolves over time?

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

#134

Interestingly, I don't really see any 'other side' of the story here. It's the same story: 1. Christel sells 'something' to Andrew while under apparent financial distress. 2. Tomaw somehow learns that Andrew is willing to take over operational matters and tries to act against it. 3. Andrew keeps pushing his authority using titles such as 'Board of Freenode' and 'Chairman of Freenode'. 4. Volunteers actually running F…

#2 is very false

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

#135
post #122

Besides discussing what happened, I wonder what IS going to happen. Right now every staffer introduced by rasengan isn't known by much, seems to be very new to freenode (and even at some times, struggling with managing the services). Some of the new staffers seems to be previous operators of Rizon[1], also known as the 4chan of IRC, which is a dubious move. One of them also seems to have been fired from it[2]. On "Fr…

There's the further detail of Handshake, which Lee appears to be deeply involved in, which is a cryptocurrency that in essence claims the DNS roots as its own (part of the marketing strategy of Handshake appears to have been some sort of "airdrop" --- I'm not a cryptocurrency person and may be using that term wrong --- of coins to open source projects; I don't know if that's connected to the FOSS donations Lee keeps…

Oh. Interesting too. I read that Lee was involved in Handshake but handshake looks so silly to me that I didn't even envisage this.

I've also raised the IRCd thing in another sub-thread, and I think that freenode adopting/developing a new IRCd (and publicly) could impair Lee's idea of merging Irc.com/Snoonet/Freenode onto ToC, since ToC seems to be running Unreal.

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

#137
post #122

Besides discussing what happened, I wonder what IS going to happen. Right now every staffer introduced by rasengan isn't known by much, seems to be very new to freenode (and even at some times, struggling with managing the services). Some of the new staffers seems to be previous operators of Rizon[1], also known as the 4chan of IRC, which is a dubious move. One of them also seems to have been fired from it[2]. On "Fr…

Probably would not be wise to guess or speculate and instead go by what I have actually said.

The issue with services was because the previous team pulled our mail server and all its contents.

We had to abruptly get everything in place.

As for the decentralizing - that’s what I’m into and the way to do it on irc is by ending reliance on a central domain name for the connection.

It’s not decided yet but is something I have put out and requested for comments.

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

#138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he didn't act improperly, you did by implying that he is a neutral party which as your employee/patreon: he isn't

He’s not my employee and I said he’s friends with both sides. I would say that makes him neutral.

from prawnsalad, in his own words: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17377232

> Kiwi IRC developer here that was sponsored and hired by LTM back in November

he states he was hired by LTM (London Trust Media): your company

he is not neutral in any way, shape or form

arguing over these sort of semantics is not a good way to build up your (desperately needed) credibility

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

#139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> someone named christel somehow sold you an IRC network 5 years ago, unbeknownst (until recently) to the people operating the IRC network on their own servers. This is false [1]. The PDF clarifies a great many of the unanswered questions and verified that despite former staff attempt to say I was lying, all I did was spoke the truth and helped when asked. Please review the PDF. Lastly, I also run servers on freenode…

You keep saying this, and people keep telling you they have read the PDF. Perhaps it's helpful for you to hear this stated plainly: the PDF is inscrutable, and does not say clearly what you seem to believe it does. The announcement you link to here is itself clear as mud and has been quoted by your opponents. It says Freenode and PIA are "joining forces", "in the same family", but "continue to operate as a not-for-pr…

> the PDF is inscrutable

I was able to follow it pretty easily. What did you have trouble with?

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