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Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming

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Re: Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming

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post #97

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Imagine a cloud provider has 300GB RAM. What if they plotted and let other people later download the plot?

I think bandwidth charges kill that idea.

On AWS, yes.

On Scaleway and Hetzner, there is unmetered 100Mbps bandwidth.

On Linode, Vultr, and DigitalOcean, there is a 1-month 1TB limit.

Re: Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming

#132
post #94

Is it possible to optimize plotting to use I/O less and RAM more? Or is it an inherent boundary of the protocol like energy use is in PoW?

The reference implementation is Python, so there's lots of room to optimize. I wonder if you can eventually build an ASIC that replaces the disk based lookup with in memory calculations of the same data.

Can you send a link? I'd like to help.

Re: Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming

#133

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What is the expansion of the acronym “GaMeR”? I’ve not seen it before and I want to be sure I understand.

Believe it's use of Mocking Spongebob style https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mocking-spongebob

Oh.

Re: Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming

#134

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Whenever you plant a tree, do the following. 1. Take a picture of the tree 2. Burn the tree down. 3. Create NFT of the picture of the tree burning down. 4. Use the NFT of the picture of the tree to certify the CO2 offset. Inspiration from: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56335948

I don't understand, the offset of a burnt tree is 0. I get that it's a joke, I just don't understand what the joke is.

Lets change the order of things then.

1. Take a picture of the tree

2. Create NFT of the picture of the tree.

3. Use the NFT of the picture of the tree to certify the CO2 offset.

4. Burn down the tree.

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Is it more obvious with this ordering? The NFT proves nothing. It doesn't matter when you burn (or otherwise damage) the tree. You have an NFT stating a carbon offset that is completely fake.

I'm just making fun of the idea that NFTs prove... anything useful... in these circumstances. Its the same thing as people who want to use blockchain to certify supply chains or whatever. The "Blockchain technology" doesn't do anything aside from provide marketing points.

Re: Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming

#135

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What is the expansion of the acronym “GaMeR”? I’ve not seen it before and I want to be sure I understand.

its "gamer" like "video game player". not an acronym.

That's incomplete, it turns out; apparently it's a weirdly capitalized form of "gamer" with sarcastic/disrespectful intent towards the referenced group.

Re: Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming

#136
post #85

Chia plotting is forbidden on all SSD and NVMe powered instances Translation: Scaleway didn't take SSD wear into account when designing their cloud. Chia farming is allowed on Scaleway Object Storage providing prior request has been both made and authorized by our sales team Translation: They can't expand their object storage fast enough to keep up with demand.

> Translation: Scaleway didn't take SSD wear into account when designing their cloud. I don't think many cloud providers expect all their disks to fail every 1-3 months, which is what happens when you mine Chia on a SSD/NVMe.

Yup, all cloud (well, all rental) business relies on rented resources to not be 100% utilised. Oversubscription is how they can offer prices cheaper than buying the resource yourself.

Re: Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming

#137
post #13

> Chia plotting is extremely I/O intensive and destroys most SSDs in under a few weeks Woah, really?

From what I understand, newer consumer level SSDs are designed to have a lower TBW (TeraBytes Written) - mostly because any reasonable consumer doesn't write terabytes of data to their SSDs in any decent length of time. Enterprise/Higher end "GaMeR" SSDs have higher TBW ratings - I believe 1TB FireCuda Model NVMe SSDs have something insane like a 1800 TBW rating when I was looking a couple weeks back. These above men…

Firecudas are terrible for Chia. TBW doesn't matter as much as people think. Some of the lower TBW SSDs will outlast the higher TBW ones (again, Firecuda is an example of the latter).

The standard plot size uses 1.2TB of writes.

You won't wear out your SSD in a few weeks with Chia...you just won't. If you use a 120GB one, maybe...but no-one is doing this.

Re: Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming

#139

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That's a pretty low bar. To be a net benefit it should emit less carbon than traditional payment processing. If you set my house on fire you don't get to call saving my cat a "net benefit".

How much carbon is emitted by traditional payment processing?

Less than the carbon that would be emitted by doing everything with physical banknotes, coins, and precious metals?

Re: Scaleway announces measures against abusive Chia plotting and farming

#140

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That's a pretty low bar. To be a net benefit it should emit less carbon than traditional payment processing. If you set my house on fire you don't get to call saving my cat a "net benefit".

How much carbon is emitted by traditional payment processing?

As an example: https://www.statista.com/statistics/881541/bitcoin-energy-co...

I'm sure modern, all digital, methods like Venmo or PayPal use even less.

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