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Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by yepthatsreality » Sun, May 16, 2021, 6:11 AM UTC

HatchedLake721 wrote: post #73

yepthatsreality wrote: post #65

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I watched until he asks about continuing the first correction and then after the kid agrees he whacks him in the back from the other side of the the body. He can’t even fully see where he’s is striking. Like some sort of magic martial artist. I’d call it bullshit.

Is that on 2:40? Isn't that just a strike on kid's lower vertebra, where he holds his fingers beforehand?

Why wouldn't you adjust his back to be facing you where you could accurately strike? Instead he does a reach-around strike which would be less accurate and would reduce the effectiveness and efficiency of said "fix". It's things like this where injuries probably stem from a person who is "trained to punch you in the lower back", considering this person doesn't have doctorate or nearly the extensive training to use physical abuse to fix someones back.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by 2Gkashmiri » Sun, May 16, 2021, 10:41 AM UTC

77pt77 wrote: post #95

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #24

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In India, there have been traditionally "bone setters" who literally do just that. Did you fall down the stairs and twisted your arm? Or shoulder or leg? Well they did that. I saw once at a hospital a kid who had fallen off a bike. There were like 4 men pulling and twisting his pelvis like crazy. I shuddered at the sight. These were actual doctors so yeah. About the bone setters, they just fixed your twisted limb or…

That's slightly different. Bone setters exist(ed) almost everywhere. Chiropractors have this weird fixation on vertebrae.

yeah. my own back is a mess because i did it. i can lay flat on my back and crack my way from the top of the neck to the lower back. then while standing up, i can push out with my hands on just above the pelvis and i hear this huge pop. then, to top it off, i sometimes when i have stood up for a long time or did some manual physical work, i ask my little brother to stand on my pelvis and at the right place, there is just super nice feeling and once i stand, the strain on my back is lifted. i crack my fingers, feet, knees, neck, ankle, pelvis, back, elbows, wrists...... shit

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by cosmotic » Sun, May 16, 2021, 6:27 PM UTC

sendbitcoins wrote: post #124

cosmotic wrote: post #109

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NFL doesn't have a very good track record on the medical front. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/league-of-denial/ If chiro provides cheap short term care at the expense of the player, that sure does sound like a great deal for the business that is the NFL/NBA.

You're just making things up. It's not "at the expense of the player" These players are in peak physical fitness. If they want to go to any kind of doctor they can as they have medical insurance and they are all multi-millionaires.

Did you watch the documentary? It would be them that re making things up.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by DebtDeflation » Sun, May 16, 2021, 7:39 PM UTC

_wldu wrote: post #81

n3storm wrote: post #70

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Is your eye doctor an ophtalmologist, optometrist or other (or both)? In Spain ophtalmologist, like physiotherapist has studied medicine and specialized. But optometrists has not and maybe you are comparing a chiropractors (without medicine title) with optometrists.

This is true in America too.

In America:

Ophthalmologist = Medical Doctor (MD) that specializes in the eyes. 4 years of medical school followed by an internship and residency like any other MD.

Optometrist = Doctor of Optometry. 4 year professional degree post Bachelors.

There's a lot of overlap between the two, but there are some things Ophthalmologists can do that Optometrists can't, like eye surgery and prescribing drugs.

Optician = Not a medical professional at all. Some states require an Associates Degree, many just require a certificate. Basically the person at a mall kiosk who helps you pick out eyeglass frames, puts the lenses that an Ophthalmologist or Optometrist prescribed into the frames, and fits them to your head.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, May 17, 2021, 2:54 AM UTC

dboreham wrote: post #112

marvindanig wrote: post #18

I hadn't heard of the term 'chiropractors' until our family moved into the suburban parts of the US. The other fancy shops that surprised me by their existence were these healing crystal stores and astrologers and whatnot. Eww. I mean it is downright unacceptable these days.

Magical thinking is quite prevalent in the US.

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Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by rswail » Mon, May 17, 2021, 10:01 AM UTC

thathndude wrote: post #34

underseacables wrote: post #9

Some anecdotal evidence: I went to a chiropractor when I was first starting out as a programmer because the base of my neck was in a lot of pain from staring at the monitor. I didn’t get the whole “adjustment“ thing but putting me on a tens unit with a hot compress really did the trick.

A lot of what chiros do now is basic physical therapy. When used in conjunction with typical chiro manipulation, it’s quite helpful for the aches and pains of life. That’s why I hesitate to completely agree with an article like this. I’ll be the first to admit chiropractic limitations. However, there are real benefits when used appropriately. The problem is when the chiropractors get out over there skis, and start ta…

So go to a physiotherapist. Not someone that also serves a dose of magic woo.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by rswail » Mon, May 17, 2021, 10:09 AM UTC

CompMan411 wrote: post #102

I had an interesting run-in with a chiropractor. Toward the end of winter 2017 there was a freak snow storm in the north east. 2 feet of heavy snow fell in 24 hours. I had an undiagnosed shoulder injury I was compensating for from hard falls downhill biking and 20 years of drumming. I didn't realize at the time as I ran the snow blower pushing and lifting it, I was doing critical damage to my spine. C5, C6 & C7 were…

This is more an indictment of the US medical economy than chirpractic. If an actual MD didn't do a physical exam for someone with that history ("was snow blowing and then for two weeks I've had numbness and extreme pain") they should be sued for malpractice.

Same for the ER a) giving you valium without a physical exam, and then b) begging you to stay without saying why.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by rswail » Mon, May 17, 2021, 10:11 AM UTC

da39a3ee wrote: post #10

Of course chiropractors are bullshitters. That’s obvious to anyone with any training in science. And also most of psychology/psychiatry is bullshit, especially the pharmaceutical side. In general, humans wanting to believe that all serious problems have medical/pharmaceutical solutions leads to a large amount of bullshit in the minds of people who have the education to do better.

Jumping from chirpractic to psychiatry is a leap.

Lumping psychology and psychiatry together is also a leap.

One is about magical theories on how our minds and emotions work, the other is about biochemistry.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by sendbitcoins » Tue, May 18, 2021, 2:52 PM UTC

cosmotic wrote: post #133

sendbitcoins wrote: post #124

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You're just making things up. It's not "at the expense of the player" These players are in peak physical fitness. If they want to go to any kind of doctor they can as they have medical insurance and they are all multi-millionaires.

Did you watch the documentary? It would be them that re making things up.

Documentary is about concussions, I saw it years ago. Has nothing to do with the player's preference for chiropractic.

Player likes chiropractic because he believes it makes him perform more optimally, you inserted/made up this concept of the NFL pushing chiro to save money "at the player's expense".

Pro-athletes preferring chiro is a strong counter-signal these "skeptic" articles.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by da39a3ee » Tue, May 18, 2021, 10:05 PM UTC

rswail wrote: post #138

da39a3ee wrote: post #10

Of course chiropractors are bullshitters. That’s obvious to anyone with any training in science. And also most of psychology/psychiatry is bullshit, especially the pharmaceutical side. In general, humans wanting to believe that all serious problems have medical/pharmaceutical solutions leads to a large amount of bullshit in the minds of people who have the education to do better.

Jumping from chirpractic to psychiatry is a leap. Lumping psychology and psychiatry together is also a leap. One is about magical theories on how our minds and emotions work, the other is about biochemistry.

Aren't psychiatrists the people who prescribe children and teenagers drugs for imaginary "medical conditions" that are in fact complex and nebulous emotional/behavioral/mood issues that we have no understanding of at a biochemical level and indeed doubtless can never be fully characterized at a biochemical level due to the complexities of the human mind?

It's lovely that you think of psychiatry as concerned with biochemistry, but that is the problem that I am referring to.