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Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by clarge1120 »

elric wrote: post #118

The keyboard makes this a no-go for me, though I'm hoping they will be releasing additional versions? And I'm not talking about ANSI/ISO or internationalization (which they will be releasing), I'm talking about the lack of page up/down keys, the arrow keys, the lack of dedicated home/insert/end keys. These all fit comfortably on my X230 (which is smaller), and on my T470 (which is bigger, but has ~4cm to spare).

Yes, that's a valuable observation.

Perhaps, if this laptop can become sustainable they may offer more keyboard options to capture larger market share. If not, competitors will fill the need.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by nrp »

robotnikman wrote: post #24
nrp wrote: post #3

Framework founder here. Happy to answer any questions anyone has on the product!

Any plans in the future to include a discrete GPU option?

We likely won't within this 13.5" form factor, since even with a discrete GPU there would be some problematic thermal budget tradeoffs with the CPU. GPU modularity is definitely a compelling area though!

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by alisonkisk »

questionableans wrote: post #57
nrp wrote: post #3

Framework founder here. Happy to answer any questions anyone has on the product!

Have you tested the laptop’s materials for offgassing? I’ve had problems with offgassing odors that never seem to go away on multiple monitors, MacBooks and an iPad in recent years. This leads to headaches that makes it impossible to use the machines for more than a few minutes, even with good room ventilation. It would be great to buy a laptop that is known to be low offgassing. I was wondering if a Framework laptop…

What do you suspect is the chemical that is new and widespread?

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by skrtskrt »

skratlo wrote: post #100
LawnGnome wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe more feedback than questions, although if there are roadmap items that would address these it'd be good to know! I'm really excited about this — besides repairability, I think the USB-C expansion cards are great, and a really neat solution to a tricky problem. I love the idea of never having to carry a USB-C dongle ever again, particularly when travelling. The blocker that is stopping me ordering this today (be…

The display is fine, 4k / retina is not practical in any way, it's just marketing.

Do we have to do this on every thread about laptops?

Just because you don't care about 4K or retina doesn't mean it's marketing juju. People obviously find value in it.

I use 2k and 4k screens with scaling on, and it makes text and edges very clear and smooth. It reduces my eye strain significantly. Lower res than 2k is very visibly fuzzy.

It's fine if you don't value that, but to act like it's "not practical in any way" is plainly wrong.

There are people in every laptop thread pushing the narrative that anyone who prefers a higher resolution screen is delusional or lying. It's really strange.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by elric »

neolog wrote: post #117
candiddevmike wrote: post #89

Echoing the other feedback here--I thought it would be cheaper too. The DIY edition where you have to bring your own components is at least double the price of a slightly slower laptop with RAM and storage included. I was expecting the DIY to start at $300-400, the current price point is far too high for unproven build quality.

The price point seems fine to me. These systems are for professionals, so they're competing with MacBook Pro, not budget vendors. The same should apply to Pine64 and Purism, though they might not realize it yet.

They're similarly priced to Thinkpads, and they have similar specs. I'd agree that the price seems fine. The warranty seems pretty limited (1 year!), businesses won't be happy about that. Hell, EU mandates a minimum of 2 year warranty for consumer goods.

I'm overall very impressed with their offering and the progress they've made, but I hope it will be refined in the future.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by michaelpb »

CobsterLock wrote: post #120
cyberpunk wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should they?

I have a coworker that always preaches testing on bad hardware. Sometimes it catches multi threaded issues, like if you arent locking correctly and use a resource before its generated. Other than that it helps ensure that you are squeezing more performance out of the software rather than relying on fast hardware. I think this sentiment comes after dealing with a ton of chromium apps that can be resource hogs. Presuma…

Re. your last point, I generally agree with the idea that performance testing should be automated, not on an ad-hoc local machine basis.

But I also do think developers live in bit of a "CPU bubble", and we need to break out of it. Most people don't have pricey hardware, and no matter what your reasoning (environmental / e-waste, user experience, simple love of the craft, etc), it is important to write performant software. In using old hardware I've discovered many, many apps are so incredibly frustrating to use for average users --- borderline unusable --- and I suspect their developers aren't even aware.

So, I don't know what the issue is, if it's tech management trends (eg "sales-driven" development), or it's a lack of automated performance testing, or beefy dev boxes, or what. But IMO it's downright embarrassing to the entire industry how bad software has gotten on average.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by pjungwir »

Wow these look great! My family has two 2013 Macbook Airs I need to replace soon, and the latest Apple options feel like big compromises. I love that I can get high levels of RAM. Linux support is a hard requirement for me though. And I'd love to see some numbers re battery life.

The price is lower than I expected. I wouldn't listen to the people saying it's too high.

Nice job!

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by samstave »

nrp wrote: post #127
samstave wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have an exploded diagram of all the individual parts?

We'll be publishing repair guides showing all the parts and assembly steps. In the meantime, you can check out some of the images that show modules: https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy-edition

Dopes.

The QR Code in the transparency section doesnt work:

https://i.imgur.com/TjfcWOP.png

"page doesnt exist"

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by kitsunesoba »

michaelpb wrote: post #136
CobsterLock wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a coworker that always preaches testing on bad hardware. Sometimes it catches multi threaded issues, like if you arent locking correctly and use a resource before its generated. Other than that it helps ensure that you are squeezing more performance out of the software rather than relying on fast hardware. I think this sentiment comes after dealing with a ton of chromium apps that can be resource hogs. Presuma…

Re. your last point, I generally agree with the idea that performance testing should be automated, not on an ad-hoc local machine basis. But I also do think developers live in bit of a "CPU bubble", and we need to break out of it. Most people don't have pricey hardware, and no matter what your reasoning (environmental / e-waste, user experience, simple love of the craft, etc), it is important to write performant soft…

Fully agree. I have a couple of old C2D/C2Q machines still kicking around and after upgrading their storage to SSDs, running the latest Win10 builds they're still totally viable day-to-day machines… well, until you fire up a notoriously heavy web/electron app, and then they're suddenly on their knees. If the devs working on these apps had to use such machines even a single day per week I'm sure we'd see marked improvements.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by ryanlol »

enriquto wrote: post #70
nrp wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Preloading a Linux distro is something we may do in the future. We've made the DIY Edition super easy to set up though for folks who don't want Windows in the meantime.

preinstalled linux is a hard requirement for many users, even if they want to reinstall it themselves. It gives an assurance that CPU throttling, suspension, hibernation, will work correctly. Otherwise it feels like a lottery. Of course a linux install is easy and will always work; but will it work correctly ? If you offer preinstalled linuxes we can be sure it does.

> If you offer preinstalled linuxes we can be sure it does.

With that one specific preinstalled kernel image.

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