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Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by kdmdmdmmdmd »

dang wrote: post #124
TOSSAWAY_1 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know the rules and any reader knows I'm commenting on the very obvious slant we're given. It's substantive to acknowledge when something is more era than merit.

Please deepen your understanding of the rules. We don't want reflexive, repetitive reactions here. That's because such comments lead to shallow, repetitive discussion (which usually turns nasty too). This is the opposite of the kind of conversation we want in HN threads. If you want more explanation, there are a bunch of past ones here: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

More is never enough is it

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by wolverine876 »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #104
wolverine876 wrote: post #102

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I'm sorry you feel that way. To be clear, I am not calling you racist (whatever that means exactly) and I am not calling that sentence racist, etc. But I have said racist things and held racist perspectives in my life; I'm human; I probably still do, unwittingly. I take that seriously - it hurts people, maybe more than anything else in humanity. (To make clear my position: I'll be damned if the scourge continues, on…

>> IMHO that sentence makes a joke of the article's points about racism, and calls them "boring and trite". Also, importantly it's an expression of feelings, not facts and reasoning. I understand what you are saying but I think it's an overgeneralisation. My comment said that the way the article frames the subject is boring and trite, not that the racism it is trying to point to doesn't really exist. I agree it does.…

Thanks for a reasonable discussion - about racism! on the Internet!

I'm not sure the interpretation of one sentence bears more examination (as I imagine you might agree). I think we would agree that there are various reasonable interpretations, which may be more or less apparent to different people, and that of course a comment on HN isn't scripture or a $100 million contract where every nuance is carefully authored and then reviewed by the counter-party; it's something written and read in a minute at most.

Beyond what I said, I think another instinct of mine is that people often find something to criticize, changing the subject, rather than addressing the racism. For example, person X asserts something about racism, and the response is 'X has two illegitimate kids and said something mean to their neighbor!' But that is too broad a pattern to say it describes this one specific comment.

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Any Athens metal recommendations? The most creative, eccentric, Athens-in-particular-and-ignore-every-other-tradition musician?

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by dang »

kdmdmdmmdmd wrote: post #131
dang wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please deepen your understanding of the rules. We don't want reflexive, repetitive reactions here. That's because such comments lead to shallow, repetitive discussion (which usually turns nasty too). This is the opposite of the kind of conversation we want in HN threads. If you want more explanation, there are a bunch of past ones here: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

More is never enough is it

Never!

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by aidenn0 »

redisman wrote: post #127
tomgp wrote: post #44

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Let's say hiphop started in 1980 so it's abouyt 41 years old. That's the begining of the 90's for rock music (if we consider it's origins to be the early 50's, though of course none of these dates represent hard boundaries) which feel about right. Hiphop and it's ofspring are the dominant forms of popular music but the tide of creative progress has perhaps slowed somewhat since the peak. Maybe. I don't necessarily be…

Jazz also had a long rein as the apex genre for something like 50 years but then fairly quickly succumbed to rock and disco in popularity. I would guess hip hop is past its peak already and it’s also splitting and merging with other genres so it gets hazy

Also note that rock had a back-and-forth influence with country, and rap is now having a back-and-forth influence on rock (and country to a lesser degree).

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by n00bdude »

redisman wrote: post #129
n00bdude wrote: post #115

Dylan’s 1966 “moto accident” ended rock N roll / end of story The album that would have come after Blonde On Blonde (hinted at on Eat The Document (1/2) would have been like angels on ze livewire) [1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_j-1n5g8fM0 [2] https://m.facebook.com/vidclosetphx/videos/2709040459351627/

Rock n roll died before Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Pink Floyd had release any albums?

That question seems about right ..

Am also of opinion that Led Zeppelin’s simultaneously the greatest rock n roll band ever. (And Waters such a great writer also)

Probably just a lil xtra-bitter about the prospect of an electric Dylan album after blonde on blonde being hinted at yet not happening but probably was time

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EvHq5UTRldo

~ 7:30 ~

Interviewer: “and we’re flying low over New York City ..”

Bob: “flying low?”

Interviewer: “yeah .. aren’t we flying low ?”

Bob: yeah. Did you notify Albert Grossman we were going to fly low?

Interviewer: “no I didn’t notify Albert grossman - whose Albert grossman?”

Bob: he’s my uh pepper maker. He makes all the pepper & keeps a good supply of um bandages ..”

(sounds like burnout)

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by z3ncyberpunk »

moomin wrote: post #57
stuart78 wrote: post #41

I think that the narrative of last twenty years has been a re-blending of genre in a way that is not fully appreciated. While you can certainly find plenty of music that fits the mold established in the 60s, 80s or 90s around you also find much more at the top of the charts that challenges those categories. Right now the top 10 Billboard chart includes Lil Nas X and The Weeknd, neither of whom fits comfortably in the…

The "Old Town Road" Billboard kerfuffle was a great demonstration of the thesis of the piece: that the hard categorisations of music are racially driven.

i care less that people categorize Lil Nas X's music as country than as his music being semi marketed to children and hooking them and then coming out with a video directly referencing those songs while his entire video is of him "coming out" with his sexuality as some kind of illuminati, Satanist sex kitten, sliding down a stripper pole to give satan a lap dance for half the video. Not a great role model.

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by 8bitsrule »

vanderZwan wrote: post #81
8bitsrule wrote: post #4

Lotta early-rock-history-for-newbs in there, I'll give it that. Dylan's insights - race, payola, manipulation - were already gospel long ago, for example in 1984 in Patrick Montgomery's Rock and Roll: The Early Days (1984). [0] (Despite the resolution) Enjoy! (About the garage-band thing supposedly happening? Not on the radio!) [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL2K-KrtBNs Edit: while I'm on it, if you'd like exper…

> Lotta early-rock-history-for-newbs in there, I'll give it that. I think this is not giving the article enough credit. It's not just that people are "newbs" to music history, it's also that real music history is buried under manufactured-consent style industry narrative, which the article explicitly points out halfway through: > the rest is music industry history — something we need to make an discerned effort to di…

Didn't mean to suggest that they didn't do a fine job with what they did write. I did feel that the title overstated Marshall Dylan's role in it.

As for the 'music industry history' quote ... couldn't agree more. The industry did and does a great deal of damage to popular music since it popped up in the 1930s to decide what songs appeared on 'Your Hit Parade'. I also wanted to take this chance to promote Montgomery's overlooked film; it gets so much right with so much heart.

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

krapp wrote: post #121
betwixthewires wrote: post #118

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I have been thinking on this heavily, and the social implications of it, I do believe the internet killed the common cultural thread Americans had, for better or worse.

It may have killed the common pop cultural thread by virtue of fragmenting publishing and consumption, but Americans never had a common culture to begin with.

> Americans never had a common culture to begin with

So far the US has had a significant amount of soft power, and that is said to be based on a common culture, says wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_power#United_States

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by biztos »

Balgair wrote: post #99
stuart78 wrote: post #41

I think that the narrative of last twenty years has been a re-blending of genre in a way that is not fully appreciated. While you can certainly find plenty of music that fits the mold established in the 60s, 80s or 90s around you also find much more at the top of the charts that challenges those categories. Right now the top 10 Billboard chart includes Lil Nas X and The Weeknd, neither of whom fits comfortably in the…

> And if you look at what is happening on Bandcamp or Soundcloud or YouTube or wherever else young people are trying new things you see a tremendous heterogeneity of inspiration and not a lot of concern for where the sound fits in. One way I have heard to mentally categorize things: What is the stereotypical musical instrument of that generation/genre? For jazz and the silent generation it was the saxophone, maybe ot…

The laptop? Or the DAW?
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