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I think they're identical.
I’m sure, in many accents, that they are. Definitely not the same in Australian Strine.
They're identical in Australian English.
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#132I'm a non-native English speaker, and I've been working with an accent coach to improve my pronunciation. The IPA chart has been instrumental teaching tool, and after about two years it's finally starting to sink in. It's really helpful to understand the theory behind the pronunciation, instead of just repeating words and attempt to make the same sounds as my coach. As in "this is what your tongue should be doing, bu…
I found Fluent Forever's minimal pair Anki training decks to be extremely helpful for my German listening and pronunciation. I'm native to American English, and I've been told by multiple native German speakers that my accent is a 2 in strength on a scale of 1 to 10.
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Being able to represent speech in writing is still pretty useful, even in 2021!
spent some time in Asian countries learning Chinese and Thai (mostly trying to impress my local GF's at the time). It took me ~6 months to understand where a word started and ended. When I tried saying the most simple things I got blank stares. But when when they repeated it back to me it sounded exactly like what I said all along. Try to say "Dry wood burns doesn't it?" in Thai and you get different variations of th…
IPA has tone markings, obviously.
What's with the constant barrage of people on HN who are proud of being ignorant?
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#134Someday people will spell words phonetically. They will look back at our languages as primitive throwbacks, like hieroglyphics
There are phonetic languages. For example, Hindi and probably most other Indian languages are written phonetically. What you write is what you speak.
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#135I can’t be the only one to click on this to be disappointed it wasn’t a website about beer! I wasn’t really aware of the IPA, is this mostly used for teaching purposes when learning a new language? As far as people learning English as a second language it seems like one of the biggest hurdles is learning all the ‘exceptions’. Especially for people coming from languages where all vowels only have one pronunciation. En…
> I wasn’t really aware of the IPA, is this mostly used for teaching purposes when learning a new language? It’s mostly used for linguistic purposes — most often in grammatical descriptions of obscure languages, or for precisely specifying the pronunciation of a word (e.g. in my dialect ‘mutable’, say, is [mjʉːtˢə̆bu]). But I believe it gets used in language learning as well.
Really, with a [u] at the end? That's really interesting, do you mind me asking what dialect you speak?
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#136I'm a non-native English speaker, and I've been working with an accent coach to improve my pronunciation. The IPA chart has been instrumental teaching tool, and after about two years it's finally starting to sink in. It's really helpful to understand the theory behind the pronunciation, instead of just repeating words and attempt to make the same sounds as my coach. As in "this is what your tongue should be doing, bu…
> there's just one way to pronounce "S" in Finnish, whereas there are four ways to do that in English
What are those four ways?
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I wasn’t really aware of the IPA, is this mostly used for teaching purposes when learning a new language? It’s mostly used for linguistic purposes — most often in grammatical descriptions of obscure languages, or for precisely specifying the pronunciation of a word (e.g. in my dialect ‘mutable’, say, is [mjʉːtˢə̆bu]). But I believe it gets used in language learning as well.
Really, with a [u] at the end? That's really interesting, do you mind me asking what dialect you speak?
I’ve never been quite sure about my accent, but it’s probably closest to Australian English. The relevant sound change is /l/-vocalisation: syllable-final [ɫ] → [w] with accompanying vowel changes, and syllabic [ɫ̩] → [u]. So I have e.g. pool [puːw], wall [woːw], adult [ˈʔæɾʊwtˢ], peel [piːw ~ ˈpiju], apple [ˈʔæpʰu], middle [ˈmɪɾu].
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#138I’m more of a porter and stout fan, but I’ll give a good IPA a try.
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#139I'm a non-native English speaker, and I've been working with an accent coach to improve my pronunciation. The IPA chart has been instrumental teaching tool, and after about two years it's finally starting to sink in. It's really helpful to understand the theory behind the pronunciation, instead of just repeating words and attempt to make the same sounds as my coach. As in "this is what your tongue should be doing, bu…
I'm a native Hebrew speaker. We basically have one way to say each vowel. It took practice for me (not with a coach but with some training videos etc) to even hear the different ways English speakers pronounce them, my brain just wasn't tuned to hear them, let alone pronounce them. Week, weak and wick will be pronounced and will sound exactly the same to a non trained Hebrew speaker, and to much much more hilarity -…
As a native Californian, I pronounce week and weak the same. Not sure about other places.
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Can you post his name? I don't understand how it would be so hard to hear, hopefully he wouldn't mind.
Gesoel /ʒɛʒuɛl/ (Going off of memory here, I probably butchered the pronunciation anyway). /ʒ/ does not occur in word-initial position in English, and for whatever reason it was incredibly hard for me to perceive it there. There was probably other more subtle differences between the two that did not make it into the transcription (e.g., his native name was pronounced with his native accent instead of his English acce…
>/ʒ/ does not occur in word-initial position in English
Doesn't gendarme start with /ʒ/? Adopted word from French, but almost all words have origins somewhere else.