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Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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In Washington DC and Hollywood, I think it's pretty common. I haven't heard of this at all in Silicon Valley though. In fact interns are pretty well paid, $7500/month at my previous company.

Speaking of DC aren’t all government internships unpaid?

Political interns, no clue. However if you're working for the government and not a campaign, then you're almost certainly getting paid in the US.

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The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

>I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. When I worked with interns they were all paid... but every one was more time and expense to work with than any value they provided. In weeks they accomplished what I could do in an afternoon, and we spent WAY more than an afternoon of work with them. Amazingly many seemed to have a very high opinion of their productivit…

I guess that depends on the industry the intern is being used. In photography, an intern typically does a lot of the manual labor like loading/unloading gear from the truck, setting up ligts,stands,tripods,etc. As the intern continues to do this work, they should be able to start learning when/where/why certain gear is being used and where to put initial settings. There is no "week to do something I could do in an afternoon" situation. It all has to be done right then and there. This allows the photographer to spend more time working with the subject/talent/producers/client/etc. After being an intern for long enough, that intern should be able to go off and be a decent assistant if not photographer on their own right.

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People who think this is predatory have clearly NOT worked in the TV / Film industry. Doing shit jobs for free in the hopes of getting some cred is the norm. Not right but not news. BTW just because it's going to be on Netflix doesn't mean Netflix is the employer. Netflix just buys the content. The staffing / contract decisions are made by the production company.

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The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

unpaid intern are absolutely good. many i have known are starting this way, before they have plenty skills for to gain full pay internship. ban are stupid, stop your try to interfere with economy via government.

This causes a lot of problems with gatekeeping in certain fields because a lot of people can't afford to go without income for months. Why do you support autocratic corporations as opposed to the publicly accountable government? Do you also support allowing companies to use child labor if companies find it to be profitable?

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The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

unpaid intern are absolutely good. many i have known are starting this way, before they have plenty skills for to gain full pay internship. ban are stupid, stop your try to interfere with economy via government.

If McDonald's can afford to hire low-skill people for minimum wage across the US, so can companies for under-skilled interns. Not paying someone for work isn't cool unless it's a volunteer position. Businesses shouldn't be getting volunteer labor. Non-profits and, maybe, governments are the only ones that should be getting volunteer interns.

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The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

>> They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters

This really isn't true. First the word "internship" is not codified in any law. Second employment law is typically provincial unless it's a federally regulated industry so the rules are different everywhere. Finally, most jurisidctions allow them if they're the "hands-on" part of an educational program, which IME qualifies 90%+ of the interships I've seen.

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Why would you assume they're desperate? If I took a gig like this, I'd be damn sure that: 1) I am included in the rolling credits, 2) I have several cameo shots within the show, 3) I can use thumbnails of my appearances within my own web site and 4) that I am able to use the show's logo and likeness to promote my own business. My site would lead off with : "Award winning photographer. You may have seen my work recent…

As someone who's done work in a field where "work for credits" was a common occurrence (freelance web design), I can give some perspective about why this is bad: maybe _you_ got the gig and are able to brag about how you're a "award winning photographer", but the problem is that not only you start to attract more people wanting free work in exchange for exposure, but also, these people will also try to push that agen…

Don't conflate all "work for credits" as being worthless.

'Love Is Blind' was "sampled by 30 million member households."

If your business's demographic would be in a similar cohort as the show, then this work could be used to project authority. I know of this show. My wife does.

If a local photographer demonstrated that they were in the show, their work is great, I would find them interesting. I wouldn't blindly give them my business, but at least they don't blend in like 100's of other photographers.

If you can't envision exactly how you would use this as a promotional piece or blindly expect that just by doing the work you'd get a magical windfall of additional business, then this isn't for you. Don't sign.

>Another little dirty secret: bylines in your website don't mean shit. The money comes from networking.

Empty bylines? Sure. But a byline that states your competency and goes on to display that competency by supporting it with 1) beautiful work and 2) having well known clients? That helps to solidify the case of why they should work with you.

"Feel free to reach out to any of my previous clients. I will give you their contact info if you need a reference or two before working together. "

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How well do you think a counteroffer for retaining all rights and a license for royalties for each use be received? Depending on how valuable exposure is for the photographer, the license can be exclusive or non-exclusive. I’m sure the brand for that show is important, so exclusivity is valuable. But minimum though is, if you are not paid for the work, then it should not be work-for-hire, and the photographer ends up…

The power asymmetry massively favouring the production house in this case is the reason they are able to make such an aggressive demand as having a professional work intensively for a week for no pay in the first place. I don’t think you would be given much space to negotiate because they would just move down the line to the next person willing to work for free but without all your requirements.

It’s a very different world from software development. Imagine what Google would pay to bring on a consultant for a week of important work...

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