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Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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Sure, if you compensate me for my time and effort in doing so. I'll compile a report for you for 0.0037 sats.

I'll take that as “no”, then. I mean, you're the salesguy popping into the thread to say we should all buy in to something, you might need a better pitch if you want to get rich that way.

I never said you should buy anything. And certainly never in my life have I tried to sell a crypto. Why would I? I enjoy discussing how crypto is going to change the world because I genuinely believe it will. A move away from everything being centralized is a good thing in my opinion.

edit: just to add on - would you call somebody who was excited about the Internet in 1995 a salesman? Just because I have an easy time seeing where crypto is heading and am excited about it should not be considered "salesman" behavior.

Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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I’m not sure I’d go that far but there might be more to it than you think: they’re directly one of the most common causes of death and lowered quality of life, and indirectly contribute to multiple others (carcinogens, respiratory diseases, everything related to lack of exercise and unhealthy eating, etc. both directly from usage and indirectly from suburbanization), a significant source of financial pressure for man…

"they’re directly one of the most common causes of ... lowered quality of life" - what is the basis of this statement? It seems like a manifest absurdity.

It makes more sense if you don't trim the quote. Cars directly cause a large number of injuries and fatalities every year, and that's mostly premature — people who had decades of healthy life ahead of them until a vehicle incident, as opposed to someone in their 80s who died of cancer before heart disease got them.

I included lower quality of life because while safety and medical improvements have reduced the number of people dying (although trucks & SUVs have reversed that trend for people who aren't inside cars) it's common to hear people who didn't die but have a significant downward spiral after an accident: whiplash, back injury, inactivity, problems with chronic pain (a common path into opioid addiction) and becoming less active to the point of having health impacts. In the U.S. this is especially likely to put severe financial strain on people and their families because health care is tied to work and many of the long-term effects make it harder to work while insurance settlements are often not enough to cover more than a short time out and there are many reports about the difficulties of getting things like chronic pain taken seriously in court or by doctors (if you lose an arm, nobody argues that it happened — if your back hurts in a non-obvious way, you might be accused of faking it to get money or drugs, especially if you weren't starting from a high social status).

Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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Sure, if you compensate me for my time and effort in doing so. I'll compile a report for you for 0.0037 sats.

0.0037sats is currently US$0.00000197. We have a deal but I'll transfer another currency since the transaction fee is several orders of magnitude greater than your quoted price.

Your math is way off.

Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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The most alarming thing to me is how effective cryptocurrencies are in drawing out the inner greed of most people. It's created an obsession of quick wealth among a lot of otherwise normal people, hijacking their rationality and further propagating the viral nature of it. If you take a look at many of the online communities for cryptocurrencies online you'll notice a lot of disturbing behavior that's very cult-like.…

> It's created an obsession of quick wealth among a lot of otherwise normal people It's showing a demand for an asset that isn't linked to the central planning of government where they continually and arbitrarily inject as much extra currency as they want whenever they catastrophically mess up sovereign budgets. That's not greed. It's an interest in safety from a drug-addict-like government that opens the floodgates…

No, that's not what it is.

That's not why people buy BTC. They buy it because it's going up.

Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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TFA says "Hey! If you write a comment about this article online, disclose your stake in cryptocurrency." Otherwise I think we can safely ignore it. Stake: 0.05 BTC, 1.2 ETH

And what do we do if someone has a large stake? Ignore their arguments? Should we do the same if they have no stake and are criticizing it? How much stake is enough, given a particular argument, to consider it on its own merits and not reject it based on cui bono? If someone doesn't disclose their stake, should we assume the worst, the best, the average? What if they're lying? (I have no stake in anything crypto rela…

It's common etiquette and sometimes a legal requirement to declare an interest in stocks if you are recommending them. If someone owns the stock you kind of assume they are pitching it rather than giving an unbiased opinion.

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0.0037sats is currently US$0.00000197. We have a deal but I'll transfer another currency since the transaction fee is several orders of magnitude greater than your quoted price.

Your math is way off.

Not sure what kind of expertise I am buying with those sats. 1btc = 100million sats.

Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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so you see no value to: - DeFi - decentralized data storage. - a decentralized & censorship resistant video streaming platform. - Artists getting compensated fairly via NFT's. - Banking the bankless - DAO's (btw, how can DAO's work better without being decentralized? hahaha) - A decentralized and censorship resistant social network - Sythentics. What is a better solution to tokenizing assets in your opinion? and on a…

I see plenty of value in many of those issues. Some appear to be just jargon or beg the question. I see zero evidence that cryptocurrency is necessary or even beneficial in solving any of those problems.

you don’t believe a protocol like ethereum is beneficial to the above problems? How would you solve it without ethereum (or similar) protocol?

Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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It's really unfortunate that rent-seekers (may have) ruined blockchain as a technology. The fundamental problem IMO is that the most useful applications have no speculative potential, and structuring blockchain applications in a way that creates speculative potential seems to inherently reduce their usefulness.

Decentralized currency on the blockchain? Great! But a currency's much more useful if its value is stable, so if you want to maximize its usefulness (assuming you don't want to tie its value to an existing currency, as existing "stablecoins" do) you probably need a mechanism to increase or decrease the money supply in response to changes in demand. Poof, there goes the speculative potential.

Or consider another potential use case that I've thought about a lot, raising funding for co-ops: it's hard for a startup to raise capital without issuing equity, and decentralizing that process could create realistic alternatives to the stock corporation ownership structure for big nonfinancial organizations. Or similarly, as an example that might be more familiar or important to folks on HN, it would make a lot of sense as a decentralized funding mechanism for FOSS development. (Yes, there have been attempts to do this, which I won't link here.) But no one's content to just build a protocol that lets people put (say) ETH in a pot to fund business investment or software features and then let others claim that ETH in exchange for implementing the stuff. No, you have to create your own DecentralizedFundingToken with a structure that's contrived to create speculative potential to reward "early adopters" and then do an ICO.

I currently own no cryptocurrencies. I owned <$10k in Bitcoin between 2011 and ~2014 (no, not at mtgox).

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