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Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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MperorM wrote: post #78
mrtksn wrote: post #49

The expectation that a corporation operating in India will not obey Indian laws but American ones is appalling. EU, Canada, China, Turkey or North Korea - if you want to do business there you have to respect their laws. “For profit US corporation fighting foreign government atrocities” is a deeply flawed idea. If Indians believe that they need wider free speech rights or other protections, they need to change their p…

If India requires twitter murder a child every time someone tweets, I sure hope they don't just say: "Well, I guess that's just their way of life" and continue operating. Obviously India is requiring no such thing, but what about when China wants google to build them a censored search engine?

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Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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Post by Dylan16807 »

root_axis wrote: post #123
MperorM wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If India requires twitter murder a child every time someone tweets, I sure hope they don't just say: "Well, I guess that's just their way of life" and continue operating. Obviously India is requiring no such thing, but what about when China wants google to build them a censored search engine?

I don't understand your point. Murdering children is an unequicoval act of heinous evil, deleting posts from your website is a shady business decision.

Where do you draw the line? Lots of people would say that heavily silencing government criticism is evil. Not heinous evil, but can't we be mad at boring evil?

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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Post by colechristensen »

pjc50 wrote: post #124
mrtksn wrote: post #49

The expectation that a corporation operating in India will not obey Indian laws but American ones is appalling. EU, Canada, China, Turkey or North Korea - if you want to do business there you have to respect their laws. “For profit US corporation fighting foreign government atrocities” is a deeply flawed idea. If Indians believe that they need wider free speech rights or other protections, they need to change their p…

> Swiss company doing banking by the Swiss laws in US In the end, Swiss companies doing Swiss style secret banking in Switzerland were deemed unacceptable to the US and forced to change. It's realpolitik all the way down. This stuff tends to come down to whether you support the specific policy and outcomes. Hyped up nationalism is a problem in lots of countries; there's only so much blame you can apply to social medi…

I don’t know about that, the swiss banks i was aware of getting into trouble with the US were very much not doing business in switzerland.

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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Post by instagraham »

nsood wrote: post #34
cigaser wrote: post #12

It is 2021, we should have decentralised authenticated version of text board by now. All the bs about crypto disruption, but nothing for such simple case.

Unmoderated social media (which I'm guessing is your goal with decentralization) tends to accumulate people who have been kicked off all moderated social media - see stuff like Parler, Ruqqus, etc. I don't think removing all ability for moderation is a good idea, more of a balance is necessary.

I think the free speech of posting coronavirus facts is far more important than the danger of dealing with the parler crowd. For people in authoritarian countries like India or Myanmar or anywhere else, it's the government that is the main obstacle to having free speech—not groups of hat-wearing nitwits.

Anyone posting something outright illegal on a social platform is making themselves a target for law enforcement anyway — why subject the entire platform to censorship on their behalf?

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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Post by gonehome »

mrtksn wrote: post #49

The expectation that a corporation operating in India will not obey Indian laws but American ones is appalling. EU, Canada, China, Turkey or North Korea - if you want to do business there you have to respect their laws. “For profit US corporation fighting foreign government atrocities” is a deeply flawed idea. If Indians believe that they need wider free speech rights or other protections, they need to change their p…

This is a warped framing.

I don't buy moral relativism, it may be legal in China to put the Uyghurs in camps but any company helping to enable that is on the wrong side of history - legality is irrelevant.

Stuff above that threshold (kinder eggs) sure, follow the country's policies - provided the country is a real democracy, with a free press, and rule of law.

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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Post by Dylan16807 »

gonehome wrote: post #128
throwawaysea wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Private companies being able to do this is a form of speech. I’m also conflicted on this point, but my present feeling is that these tech companies constitute a different situation from a “regular” private company exercising their own free speech rights. Several of them are too big and monopolistic (Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook) and the ones that aren’t on that scale, like Twitter, are still very shielded fro…

> Leaving all that aside - what platforms do you believe hold promise for a decentralized future? https://urbit.org/ I think stuff like mastodon is dead on arrival and will never succeed outside of its extremely niche audience. Urbit has the potential to solve a lot of these issues because of its architecture.

You don't think urbit is extremely niche?

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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Post by another_kel »

mrtksn wrote: post #49

The expectation that a corporation operating in India will not obey Indian laws but American ones is appalling. EU, Canada, China, Turkey or North Korea - if you want to do business there you have to respect their laws. “For profit US corporation fighting foreign government atrocities” is a deeply flawed idea. If Indians believe that they need wider free speech rights or other protections, they need to change their p…

>If Indians believe that they need wider free speech rights or other protections, they need to change their political figures and laws accordingly

And then twitter in India won't ban people just like it does in the US. Oh wait...

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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Post by gonehome »

mrtksn wrote: post #77
plank_time wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why are people shitting over Google for attempting to created a censored search engine for China? I think the project was called Dragonfly.

I don’t know, should ask them. Maybe it’s because of the Googles PR giving the idea that they are not in the business of making money but organising world’s knowledge? Maybe they should ask Google why they don’t go non-profit. Maybe Google backed down because damage on the brand in US would be greater than the expected profits from China? Maybe they back down because employees went political and Google didn't want to…

Maybe because it's wrong to actively help suppress speech in a hostile country regardless of its legality in that country?

Legal and ethical are not the same thing - something can be legal and unethical, or illegal and ethical.

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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Post by root_axis »

cigaser wrote: post #29
db48x wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can run your own software on your own server easily enough. Even easier to run the software of your choice on a rented server. Why do you think that you’re stuck with twitter?

I could also do that in 1975. But people use twitter.

People use many thousands of different websites.

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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Post by techrat »

MperorM wrote: post #78
mrtksn wrote: post #49

The expectation that a corporation operating in India will not obey Indian laws but American ones is appalling. EU, Canada, China, Turkey or North Korea - if you want to do business there you have to respect their laws. “For profit US corporation fighting foreign government atrocities” is a deeply flawed idea. If Indians believe that they need wider free speech rights or other protections, they need to change their p…

If India requires twitter murder a child every time someone tweets, I sure hope they don't just say: "Well, I guess that's just their way of life" and continue operating. Obviously India is requiring no such thing, but what about when China wants google to build them a censored search engine?

If you're to use a hyperbolic example, at least use a plausible one.

Equating posting anything online to child murder as an acceptable act undoes any sort of point you could be legitimately making.

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