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Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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I find it scary that not a single person in this thread is against the idea of the government using its force against tech. Everyone’s just nodding in unison.

What do you suggest as the solution to companies that grow so powerful, that they can break the rules of the free market? That’s why laws exist to curb monopolistic and anti-competitive behavior. Do we just shrug and let it happen?

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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post #120

I find it scary that not a single person in this thread is against the idea of the government using its force against tech. Everyone’s just nodding in unison.

Because breaking up monopolies has been an accepted function of government for a while?

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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post #39

I don't care or know if it counts as a "monopoly" (I guess I can use Android...), but as a consumer and human being, I would love it if governments compelled big companies to act more in the public interest and less in their own. In particular, I would love to be able to install 3rd party app stores and software w/o having to resort to jailbreaks or weird certificate hacks. To me, it seems obvious this would be a net…

is it actually a net win for society, or just a personal win for power users like those found on hn? Simply allowing all third party apps probably leads to lots of extra malware being installed on iPhones.

Security framework is mostly orthogonal to AppStore being the only way to install apps.

Also, Apple strips developer's signature replacing it with AppStore signature. So I, the user, cannot independently verify that I'm running the same thing that developer deployed.

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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post #120

I find it scary that not a single person in this thread is against the idea of the government using its force against tech. Everyone’s just nodding in unison.

What governement is going against "tech"?

Software distribution isn't "tech", also Google and Apple aren't all that "tech" is. And breaking a monopoly isn't "attacking" a market either.

Governments are finally starting to use their force to revitalize the software markets. Destroying monopolies is a large part of it.

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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post #39

I don't care or know if it counts as a "monopoly" (I guess I can use Android...), but as a consumer and human being, I would love it if governments compelled big companies to act more in the public interest and less in their own. In particular, I would love to be able to install 3rd party app stores and software w/o having to resort to jailbreaks or weird certificate hacks. To me, it seems obvious this would be a net…

is it actually a net win for society, or just a personal win for power users like those found on hn? Simply allowing all third party apps probably leads to lots of extra malware being installed on iPhones.

Imagine if you could buy apps on iPhone, switch to an Android and not lose access to your whole app library?

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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post #123
post #120

I find it scary that not a single person in this thread is against the idea of the government using its force against tech. Everyone’s just nodding in unison.

I find it scary that you trust Apple and Google and others who have admitted that they colluded to not poach employees from one another and suppress wages.

My own city has suffered from lawlessness, with government rendering law enforcement useless and advocating policies that threaten the safety and welfare of its citizens. Meanwhile, homelessness has skyrocketed and our public parks and other public spaces are dangerous because of aggressive homeless people littering trash, feces, and their drug needles.

I trust Apple almost infinitely more than I trust my local government. They can collude about employees all they want, but I would rather have my government run the way Tim Cook runs Apple. I like what Apple delivers. My local government delivers no value, in my opinion, and they’re making the situation worse. In fact, my local government blames big companies and their only solution is to tax us to death. The tax revenue is plundered on a non profit industry whose supposed goals are to help these homeless people, but the majority of their funding goes to paying their own salaries, their executives, and all the overhead.

I’m honestly worried about sending my children to school. We’ve now had homeless camps on school grounds. You can shoot heroine on school grounds now. In my mind, government isn’t the answer — it’s actually the source of the rot.

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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post #39

I don't care or know if it counts as a "monopoly" (I guess I can use Android...), but as a consumer and human being, I would love it if governments compelled big companies to act more in the public interest and less in their own. In particular, I would love to be able to install 3rd party app stores and software w/o having to resort to jailbreaks or weird certificate hacks. To me, it seems obvious this would be a net…

> I would love it if governments compelled big companies to act more in the public interest and less in their own.

First I’d like to see a government prove it can work in the public’s interest and less in its own.

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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post #39

I don't care or know if it counts as a "monopoly" (I guess I can use Android...), but as a consumer and human being, I would love it if governments compelled big companies to act more in the public interest and less in their own. In particular, I would love to be able to install 3rd party app stores and software w/o having to resort to jailbreaks or weird certificate hacks. To me, it seems obvious this would be a net…

You act as if "public interest" is objective. A lot of people in government (maybe most?) consider maximizing shareholder value to be "public interest".

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It does when you literally can’t operate your store in another mall. Android exists > I also don’t think this analogy scales very well since many stores operate both in and out of closed shopping centers. Including Apple’s stores. How is the scalability of the analogy relevant?

>Android exists So another Mall also charges 30%. Do I have a third mall to choose from? Or can I set up a third mall ? What is the market entry barrier for a third mall ? Are these Mall a necessity in the community? I wish people would stop using over simplified analogy.

I’m a consumer. I have many, many apps installed on my iPhone, and for the pretty much all of them I’ve paid $0.

Your issue exists only with paid apps. Apple is providing you the infrastructure and means to distribute your software. It makes sense to me that they get a cut.

And it also makes sense to me that you have to go through them. I specifically bought an iPhone because Apple seems to actively regulate what apps are allowed in the App Store while favoring customer privacy and security.

It’s interesting to me that your arguments against Apple are the specific reasons I chose an Apple device.

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is it actually a net win for society, or just a personal win for power users like those found on hn? Simply allowing all third party apps probably leads to lots of extra malware being installed on iPhones.

Imagine if you could buy apps on iPhone, switch to an Android and not lose access to your whole app library?

I don't think that's necessarily fair. There are expenses on each platform and paying a dollar or so to pay for those seem fair to me.
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