Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands • Hacker News Board

Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by scubbo » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 1:10 AM UTC

scubbo wrote: post #91

amelius wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet's implementation of name resolving is wrong. If you type "apple.com" you should get a disambiguation page saying "Did you mean the grocery store, the record company, or the computer company?" and from there you can reach the desired website. Somewhat like how it works in Wikipedia. Unlike land, names are not a scarcity and can be shared. So why pretend they are like land?

This is a very interesting statement. My gut reaction is "no, that's wrong!", but I can't quite articulate _why_ that's wrong - so, please consider this reply in the spirit of an auto-Socratic dialogue, rather than an argument intended to dissuade you. You're right that names themselves are not truly scarce*, but "convenience of being referenced by a name on the internet" most certainly _is_ a scarce resource. There…

Ugh, I apparently can't edit this to reformat. Apologies - the `-`s in the paragraph beginning "If that's the case" were, clearly, meant to be bullets or sub-bullets.

Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by throwaway_kufu » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 1:13 AM UTC

codezero wrote: post #120

throwaway_kufu wrote: post #119

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Who is supposed to make that determination? It was below the marketplaces own valuation is that’s not enough and must use an ambiguous word like “grossly” essentially meaning in the sole discretion of the marketplace? In any case it’s neither in their terms or service nor supported by case law. Who ever listed it agreed to the terms of service/contract multiple times and verified the price multiple times, it’s not in…

You can't know that the person who listed it doesn't have a special MSA (service agreement) with their vendor that gives them premium support and or protections not offered to "normal" end-users, and you seem to believe there is some sort of clear black and white with how business may make decisions when there are incidents on their platforms. As a person who misses a lot of flights, I can tell you that they can alwa…

Sorry you miss your flights a lot, but if I may, imagine you showed up on time and: A) the plane was gone and they explained you bought a ticket with an error in the flight time; or b) they informed you they cancelled your ticket and your couldn’t fly because the price of your ticket had an error.

Remember that recent viral video/news story of the Guy being dragged off a plane kicking and screaming because the airline had overbooked the flight. Airlines disclose they can overbook flights and remove passengers on such flights, usually people volunteer for freebies but no one did on this flight, they just happened to choose drag him off the plane forcefully kicking and screaming. Even when the airline had full contractual right to overbook and remove a passenger, they went about it all wrong, people still called him an asshole anyway but it was the airline that paid $140M for it.

Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by cj » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 1:15 AM UTC

matheusmoreira wrote: post #116

cj wrote: post #111

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If you walked into a car dealership and saw a price tag of $100 on a car that normally sells for $250,000, would you also lose faith in the dealership when they return your $100 and tell you the car was not meant to be priced at $100? If anything, the example should boost your confidence in the marketplace. Marketplaces exist to provide a fair experience to both the buyer and the seller. Not just the buyer.

> would you also lose faith in the dealership when they return your $100 and tell you the car was not meant to be priced at $100 Yes.

Now imagine it was your own car in the parking lot, and an employee of the dealership accidentally tagged your car for sale as one of theirs, and mistakenly and irreversibly sold it, all while you were test driving a new car :)

Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by nightfly » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 1:25 AM UTC

amelius wrote: post #86

yosito wrote: post #51

Meanwhile, I can't even figure out how to buy domains with my name in them from people who just buy them and sit on them.

The internet's implementation of name resolving is wrong. If you type "apple.com" you should get a disambiguation page saying "Did you mean the grocery store, the record company, or the computer company?" and from there you can reach the desired website. Somewhat like how it works in Wikipedia. Unlike land, names are not a scarcity and can be shared. So why pretend they are like land?

I kind of like the new world of more TLDs to solve this. I really wish they weren't privately owned though.

apple.grocery apple.song/radio/fm apple.computer

Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by smilekzs » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 1:31 AM UTC

cj wrote: post #133

matheusmoreira wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> would you also lose faith in the dealership when they return your $100 and tell you the car was not meant to be priced at $100 Yes.

Now imagine it was your own car in the parking lot, and an employee of the dealership accidentally tagged your car for sale as one of theirs, and mistakenly and irreversibly sold it, all while you were test driving a new car :)

"you" would then sue for damages?

Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by devrand » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 1:42 AM UTC

why_Mr_Anderson wrote: post #45

This is still happening? It used to be very annoying decade or so ago, but I thought it was already solved/fixed/improved. Are there really no option to make a domain registration without expiration?

There's lot of different TLDs each with their own rules, fees, and registrars. It's hard to unify that landscape, particularly when a bunch of ccTLDs have very little infrastructure behind them.

The closest you can really get is hiring a mark protection firm like MarkMonitor which themselves are registrars for a handful of TLDs (namely .com) and can basically indefinitely extend registrations for everything they have contracts for.

Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by 3np » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 1:42 AM UTC

cj wrote: post #133

matheusmoreira wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> would you also lose faith in the dealership when they return your $100 and tell you the car was not meant to be priced at $100 Yes.

Now imagine it was your own car in the parking lot, and an employee of the dealership accidentally tagged your car for sale as one of theirs, and mistakenly and irreversibly sold it, all while you were test driving a new car :)

Then the dealership is on the hook for at the very minimum the actual market value of the car.

Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by 3np » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 1:43 AM UTC

amelius wrote: post #86

yosito wrote: post #51

Meanwhile, I can't even figure out how to buy domains with my name in them from people who just buy them and sit on them.

The internet's implementation of name resolving is wrong. If you type "apple.com" you should get a disambiguation page saying "Did you mean the grocery store, the record company, or the computer company?" and from there you can reach the desired website. Somewhat like how it works in Wikipedia. Unlike land, names are not a scarcity and can be shared. So why pretend they are like land?

I think what you're looking for is a search engine.

Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by devrand » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 1:50 AM UTC

whitehouse3 wrote: post #47

FridayoLeary wrote: post #38

somebody actually posted it as an 'ask hn' last night! I'm actually physically hurting right now. I wonder how much google will pay to get their precious domain back.

Can't they forcefully take it? [0] [0]: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/cybersquatting-2013-05...

ccTLDs are special as they are entirely delegated to the countries that they're assigned to. WIPO offers UDRP servicing for ccTLDs, but they need to opt-in to it [1].

Notably .ar (and .su as the other responder to your comment notes) is not part of that. Therefore the process is going to depend upon the specific country/agency overseeing the ccTLD.

[1]: https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/cctld/

Re: Argentine version of Google falls into “wrong” hands

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Post by codezero » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 1:57 AM UTC

throwaway_kufu wrote: post #123

codezero wrote: post #117

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I don’t think you tested this. And it’s not a theory. If you are a large customer of your domain registrar you will get special treatment. The same is true when you have large financial stake in many things. I say this as someone who had their domain auctioned off when I was unemployed because I was too depressed to read my email and didn’t see the notice until I was out from my cave, losing a domain I owned since 19…

What I’m saying I tested is your theory that you can just ask the marketplace to reverse a transaction on the basis of your listing price being in error. Of course I did that because I had just sold crypto comic book.com on their marketplace. And they refused to reverse my sale. And you don’t think I did that ? Why would anyone make that up? It’s really not on me to test the accuracy of a publicly traded company’s au…

You selling your low value domain and asking for a refund is not the same as the owner of ua accidentally selling ua.com

UA is likely a LARGE customer of the domain service you use and pay multiple thousands of dollars more for managed services and support than you do. They will get special treatment because it's in THEIR contract, just not yours.

Try reaching out to them and ask what kind of contract you need to sign to get the ability to reverse accidental sales, they probably can quote you a price.