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Post by GHFigs »

mcphilip wrote: post #123
kragen wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who download illegal torrents might be profiled and the information used against them later.

Bingo. Brinqs to mind Columbia University advising some of its students not to discuss the wikileaks cables since it could hurt their employment prospects. http://oudaily.com/news/2010/dec/06/our-view-dont-talk-about...

That advice is entirely to do with the fact that the information was classified and the federal government doesn't want to hire people whose treatment of classified information is to post links to it on Facebook. It is a reasonable suggestion to people seeking employment in government.

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Post by pasbesoin »

Animus7 wrote: post #58
kristofferR wrote: post #40

There's certainly a bunch of interesting stuff in there, like how officers are instructed to place iPhone in nickel or copper plated containers in order to prevent remote wipes and a ton of information about gangs and smuggling. There's also other cool technical stuff in there, like how they gather digital evidence, information about hacker forums like ryan1918.com that have information on FBI honeypots and a book on…

> like how officers are instructed to place iPhone in nickel or copper plated containers in order to prevent remote wipes Idea: a self-destruct mode where if your phone can't call home to check for remote wipe and kick an internal watchdog, it will prompt for local self-destruct override. Failing that, automatic wipe.

In alarm technology, I've heard it termed a "heartbeat". No heartbeat --> panic.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by pyre »

esrauch wrote: post #94
blhack wrote: post #44

They can't go back now. Before this, mostly what they were doing was small time. DOSing a website, or leaking some emails is annoying, this could potentially get people killed. This is max level from what I'm reading so far (others' reports, I'm not touching that torrent). Homeland security info, info on ongoing investigations, etc. etc. This might actually make lulz more dangerous. They have nothing to lose now. Bef…

They already claimed to have taken down a CIA website in June among other pretty high profile targets. I'm pretty sure they would have already been doing at least 20 years if they got caught and actually charged with everything they did even before this. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13787229

I think that releasing actual documents rates higher than just taking down their website. Had they released internal CIA documents, you might have a point.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by clintjhill »

getsat wrote: post #130
hackly wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though I would never condone such a strategy (nor do I think getsat was stating his beliefs), there is some truth in it. A man is brought to think twice before engaging in any activity when they know that their family's safety is on the line. This has been (and continues to be) one of the means employed by tyrannical states to strike fear in the hearts of dissidents. You may be brave enough to sacrifice yourself, but…

You're correct, those aren't my beliefs. Merely an observation. > one of the means employed by tyrannical states On the other hand, we're starting to see the opposite happen. People in positions of power who abuse their authority (e.g., police) are starting to be targeted by regular people whose lives they interfere with. Have a Facebook/Twitter/Tumblr/MySpace/whatever account? Your personal information, friends, fam…

Let's not forget though - "I'm just doing my job" absolutely applies here. DPS did not create the laws. They enforce them.

AZ is the state where a guy died doing his job in a photo radar vehicle. He was shot by a guy who felt the man in the vehicle was "the government". These families and homes are now targets.

Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by joshmlewis »

blhack wrote: post #42
sunchild wrote: post #23

Setting aside the release of this information, why was anyone able to get ahold of it? That's where the responsibility (and breach of public trust) starts.

Some of my friends work for Phoenix DPS. According to them, their "IT Department" (in quotes because according to them they don't really have an IT dept.) is...horrifyingly incompetent. Like really, really bad.

The smaller town where I live is the same way. Most government agencies like this are way behind in the tech world unless the city pours a lot of money into making it better. Otherwise, there really is no IT staff except the "county" staff that cover several departments. I could be wrong, but that's how it goes in smaller towns.

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Post by true_religion »

clintjhill wrote: post #129
true_religion wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. If the police are protected under a clause of "just following orders", then the home addresses shouldn't be shown. Neither should individual policemen be called out. Rather the system is at fault, and the law makers behind it. If the police are morally at fault, then this extends past their work-life sphere. If you kill and abuse at work and that is considered immoral , you are not simply allowed to go ho…

The morality argument is interesting. However killing and abusing is hyperbole in this context.

Probably the killing part. Though the police might perpetrate illegal deaths, either through neglect while in custody or 'over enthusiasm' during raids, I don't think that its a systemic abuse.

The documented racial profiling, however, is could be properly termed 'abusive'.

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Post by [deleted] »

kragen wrote: post #126
TomOfTTB wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're wrong on this (or at very least looking at the issue without nuance). More often than not "just following orders" IS a sufficient defense. Only in the most heinous of acts is it considered insufficient (if that weren't the case there'd be no reason to define what is and is not a "war crime") Deporting someone, even if you feel it's unjustified, is a far cry from a War Crime. That's the cogent point. The danger…

No, you are personally responsible for your actions even when they aren't "the most heinous of acts". Being sworn to uphold an unjust law means that you have no good alternatives available to you: you can break your word (and perhaps lose your income) or you can perpetrate injustice. In that situation you must choose which is the greater wrong. But the unjust law doesn't need to rise to the level of genocide or war c…

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Re: LulzSec releases trove of AZ law enforcement documents

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Post by Andrew_Quentin »

jordan0day wrote: post #83
sunchild wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like "negligent" bad?

It might depend on your definition of negligent. Imagine building out a city, streets, alleyways, highways, etc. The imagine paying one guy to put up all the street signs, paint the lanes on the roads and highways, tow broken down cars, and handle street cleaning duties. When a wreck happens because a particular intersection was missing stop signs, would you consider that one guy negligent?

Yup. Him or her and his/her employer. That is according to the law.

Negligence is merely falling below the standard of the reasonably competent sign poster/programmer/doctor/ etc.

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Post by woodall »

blhack wrote: post #42
sunchild wrote: post #23

Setting aside the release of this information, why was anyone able to get ahold of it? That's where the responsibility (and breach of public trust) starts.

Some of my friends work for Phoenix DPS. According to them, their "IT Department" (in quotes because according to them they don't really have an IT dept.) is...horrifyingly incompetent. Like really, really bad.

Called my local Sheriffs department about an sql injection in their prisoner look up system. He is actually an on duty police office who just does the work because others cannot. I feel sorry for them as the application in question is used by many departments across the nation.

They did take the site offline; hopefully for a fix.

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