131–140 of 808 posts
Pretty much anything general purpose that I might want to use Java for, I can use C# instead, and I like it better. Cross platform support used to be the trump for Java, but DotNetCore/5 works on Linux and has nearly everything ported over now.
I do think Java has a bad rep as a "dry, corporate, enterprise" language, but I think there is an ecosystem around Java that is pretty awesome and you can build incredible applications with Java if you want to. Java has a branding problem. Java (and Oracle) missed the wave of the last 15 years when tech became "cool." If you were new to tech/programming and wanted to pick up a language, which of these three would you…
I feel like the takeaway the author should have arrived at is that hype comes and goes, and doesn't really correlate with whether a piece of technology is valuable or not.
For my use cases, Java has all the wrong compromises: - not high level enough to compete with Python/Ruby/JS/PHP, etc - not low level enough to compete with Rust/D/Nim/Zig - not specialized enough to compete with Erlang/R/Go/Julia - not opinionated enough to compete with Lisp/Haskell So why use Java ? It's good, it's fast, it's productive, it's well supported, battle tested and documented for decades with a huge pool…
> Java is fun to write, productive What the hell? I don't think we have the same definition for any of these words. I know Java has changed quite a bit since Java 8 (Java 9 being the last version I used professionally before switching completely to Go), but I just can't write Java again, it's physical. When I want to try a new Java feature and think about writing the scaffolding code, my stomach actually hurts. Not t…
curl -OL tar -xzvf So complicated.
For my use cases, Java has all the wrong compromises: - not high level enough to compete with Python/Ruby/JS/PHP, etc - not low level enough to compete with Rust/D/Nim/Zig - not specialized enough to compete with Erlang/R/Go/Julia - not opinionated enough to compete with Lisp/Haskell So why use Java ? It's good, it's fast, it's productive, it's well supported, battle tested and documented for decades with a huge pool…
Java is like you say not the greatest at anything but it is also not the worst at anything. Its great for projects where the you don't know what you should optimize for or don't care.
If java is to boring maybe kotlin is the way to go. I really like kotlin and in my personal experience the only downside is that the IDEs is not as good as the java counterparts yet.
For my use cases, Java has all the wrong compromises: - not high level enough to compete with Python/Ruby/JS/PHP, etc - not low level enough to compete with Rust/D/Nim/Zig - not specialized enough to compete with Erlang/R/Go/Julia - not opinionated enough to compete with Lisp/Haskell So why use Java ? It's good, it's fast, it's productive, it's well supported, battle tested and documented for decades with a huge pool…
Kotlin solves most of the problems for us while leveraging the benefits of the JVM.
We are talking about Java as a language, not the JVM as a platform.
You can also run Python on the JVM.
Although, some Java compromises are definitely linked to the JVM.
For my use cases, Java has all the wrong compromises: - not high level enough to compete with Python/Ruby/JS/PHP, etc - not low level enough to compete with Rust/D/Nim/Zig - not specialized enough to compete with Erlang/R/Go/Julia - not opinionated enough to compete with Lisp/Haskell So why use Java ? It's good, it's fast, it's productive, it's well supported, battle tested and documented for decades with a huge pool…
- you can integrate code from hundreds of developers fairly safely (knowing that no one has changed the default behaviour fo builtins and different dependencies won't clash).
- the syntax, although not the most succinct is fairly easily readable and maintainable by other developers.
> Java is fun to write, productive What the hell? I don't think we have the same definition for any of these words. I know Java has changed quite a bit since Java 8 (Java 9 being the last version I used professionally before switching completely to Go), but I just can't write Java again, it's physical. When I want to try a new Java feature and think about writing the scaffolding code, my stomach actually hurts. Not t…
IDEA can download and configure one of multiple JDK distributions in a single command:
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Go/Rust will get you hired in Silicon Valley working on "cool" teams. I believe a bunch of AWS teams are deep diving into Rust, and not to mention the hundreds of startups working in Go/Rust. However, the sausage is still made Java. Amazon, Google, and Apple are, as far as a I know, primarily Java shops. It's just no one ever starts a blog with "Here's something cool I did in Java".
Ah yes, I keep forgetting that HN folk are American-centric and often either do not know or forget that the vast majority of developers do not actually live there, or work for FAANG. Outside of USA, a little digging I did via Glassdoor: Buenos Aires, Argentina: - Rust: ~5 jobs - Go: ~3 jobs - Java: ~800 jobs Lisbon, Portugal: - Rust: ~6 jobs - Go: ~30 jobs - Java: ~278 jobs Barcelona, Spain: - Rust: ~1 job - Go: ~50…
Additionally, pretty much all the distributed data processing tools run on the JVM, which is a big deal if that's what you do for a living.