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Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by vetinari »

EE84M3i wrote: post #90
wpm wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. At worst it prompts you to download and install the Command Line Tools (all actionable inside the prompt; it doesn’t use the App Store) if you try to run a command not included in the OS by default like `git`.

How is that different than what windows does with "python3"?

It doesn't do that, if you install git in some other way (via homebrew, or manually). So it is definitely different from this:

> even after installing Python from the official website, if you happen to run a script that executes "python3" instead of "python", you'll instead trigger an unhelpful link to the Microsoft Store

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by kitsunesoba »

Zecc wrote: post #96
OnlyOneCannolo wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the vertical tabs. The top bar still takes up just as much space. But now I also have less horizontal space too.

No idea what Edge's vertical tabs look like, but I like vertical tabs in Firefox because it lets you have simultaneously on screen a ton of open tabs without reducing the tab's size. I don't care about the loss of horizontal space most of the time. I have a 16:9 screen and most web pages grow vertically anyway. As a matter of fact I use a vertical Windows taskbar as well, since it lets me have many applications open…

Yes precisely, standard tabs get unusable quickly. I know some people can deal with dozens of tabs shrunken down to the size of a favicon, but I can't.

I wish vertical tabs were a standard option on all browsers, especially on Firefox where you need userchrome hacking on top of an extension to get something usable — userchrome css is deprecated and going away, which means integration deeper than is offered by extensions will be necessary in the future.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by vetinari »

oehpr wrote: post #104
CivBase wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s worth noting that the pop-up will appear even when Microsoft Edge is the default browser and you’ve already pinned sites to the taskbar. The company is not targeting people who use Google Chrome and Firefox as default browsers. That statement implies to me that they are also advertising to people who aren't using Edge.

Can you walk me through how you're reading that? I don't understand how you have reached that conclusion.

From the article:

> "the pop-up will appear even when Microsoft Edge is the default browser... The company is not targeting people who use Google Chrome and Firefox as default browsers."

Translation: it will show up for everyone, not just for Chrome and Firefox users.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by stinos »

zeta0134 wrote: post #79

Just this week, I discovered that even after installing Python from the official website, if you happen to run a script that executes "python3" instead of "python", you'll instead trigger an unhelpful link to the Microsoft Store suggesting to install python from there. Yes, the command line itself has ads for the store sprinkled throughout it. Later, when I needed to pull down the Rust compiler, I discovered that the…

if you happen to run a script that executes "python3"

Funny thing is, this is actually wrong on Windows and always has been. Unless I'm missing something. I recently traced back the earliest python3 installer on the official ftp site of python.org and even that one didn't have a python3 command. No official installers seem to have had it. Nor does an Anaconda install. So I don't really know why the 'official' (that is, the one on the MS store) is pushing python3 as a command (apart from 'other OS do have this'). Anyone has any insight on this?

Yes, the command line itself has ads

Technically it's just an executable in the PATH so anything, including any terminal application, which uses that gets it.

helpfully adds an explorer shell link to "Open in Visual Studio

Care to post the link to that installer? Never saw that, curious to see which one that is.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by Scharkenberg »

kumarharsh wrote: post #73
OnlyOneCannolo wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the vertical tabs. The top bar still takes up just as much space. But now I also have less horizontal space too.

I think they mentioned that they're going to remove the top bar for vertical tabs

They won't remove it outright but we will get the option to collapse it. I've been using this mode on Canary ever since it landed and I honestly love it. Currently it's hidden behind a flag in pre-release builds but Stable should get it too in a matter of weeks.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by thatnerdyguy »

zeta0134 wrote: post #79

Just this week, I discovered that even after installing Python from the official website, if you happen to run a script that executes "python3" instead of "python", you'll instead trigger an unhelpful link to the Microsoft Store suggesting to install python from there. Yes, the command line itself has ads for the store sprinkled throughout it. Later, when I needed to pull down the Rust compiler, I discovered that the…

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/python/python-in-the-windows-...

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by kitsunesoba »

Justsignedup wrote: post #37

Here's whats so odd here: - google can push chrome on people in their search results. and google pushed HARD. So hard they dominate the browser market and chrome is unfortunately not known for privacy. - google pretty much makes it impossible to get away from chrome entirely in android. Example being that you MUST use chrome webview when using the google search app. Even though everything else uses firefox for me. -…

> google can push chrome on people in their search results. and google pushed HARD.

And still push hard. I use whichever browser is most "native" to the platform I'm using at the moment (Safari on macOS, Edge on Windows, Firefox on Linux) so I see prompts to install Chrome constantly. Very irritating.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by encryptluks2 »

jonatron wrote: post #108
stinos wrote: post #83

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By now there are plenty of tools out there which turn hours (I hope we don't have to take that literally? Unless you're not used to Windows and/or there's even more bloat than I know of) into a couple of minutes though. Check e.g. O&O ShutUp 10 https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 . Or else use an IOT or LTSC release or so.

Installing, updating, running debloat scripts, running ShutUp10, manually uninstalling things, changing settings, disabling services from safe mode. Each step isn't too long, but it adds up.

Not only that but that point people are just running things they don't even know what they are doing and not all or them are open source. I started working on a DSC to actually changed the LGPO instead of just changing a bunch of registry keys so people can at least see what was changed from gpedit.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by fl0wenol »

gruez wrote: post #77
jonatron wrote: post #34

I spent hours at the weekend making a windows 10 image with as much bloat disabled as possible. It looks like after just a few days, Microsoft have given me more stuff to remove. I only use it for gaming, so maybe my efforts would be better spent on getting games to work on Linux?

>It looks like after just a few days, Microsoft have given me more stuff to remove. use LTSC. it only has security updates so you're not forced to constantly decrapify your OS.

It's a little tricky to buy, but anyone can do it. I also like that it gives you multiple activation keys out of the box. Unfortunately it's a little pricey compared to OEM; it's about $300.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Post by Ashanmaril »

livre wrote: post #21

While this is likely yet another bad move by Microsoft I hope this pushes web devs to start focusing on web apps and puts a stop to all those websites packaged with a browser that are around 200MB each.

I really don't see a tooltip having that much pull on the web development zeitgeist
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