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Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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post #16

No, your motherfucking website is not improved by jamming your pet design theories into it. This is why all these spinoffs are terrible, with the possible exception of https://bestmotherfucking.website/ which removed things from a different spinoff. The low contrast meme in web design is especially harmful.

Yep, I agree. Jamming the design theory into it is absolutely missing the point of the original.

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

#132
post #7

From " http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/ " which is one up the chain: > A little less contrast WHY. WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS. To give this person credit they have at least chosen some sensible values, rather than gone with something that was just about enough on an expensive graphic designer high-contrast monitor and then not tested it on anything else. Leaving the rest of us squinting to try and read text or manua…

Obviously too little contrast is bad and makes text hard to read, but it doesn't at all follow that MORE CONTRAST is always better. In fact it's pretty clear that too much contrast (which is equivalent to too much brightness, since there's a floor on how black the dark parts can get) can be a negative thing, that's why we don't all leave our displays at maximal brightness in all lighting conditions.

Another commenter mentioned that all text should just be black on white and people can dim their screens as necessary. It's somewhat a matter of personal preference, but this seems like a bad solution to me. Most people are not looking at exclusively text when browsing the web, there are lots of pictures and videos as well. Users shouldn't have to be constantly fiddling with screen brightness. In photos and videos, contrast is often used for dramatic effect, where you want some parts to get brighter than others. If the text is too high contrast so you have to dim your screen further to view it comfortably, then the photos or videos you see alongside the text won't be as impactful and enjoyable. Why should every piece of text you read be as dramatic as the most intense rays of sunlight or something in a photo or movie?

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

#133
post #79
post #7

From " http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/ " which is one up the chain: > A little less contrast WHY. WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS. To give this person credit they have at least chosen some sensible values, rather than gone with something that was just about enough on an expensive graphic designer high-contrast monitor and then not tested it on anything else. Leaving the rest of us squinting to try and read text or manua…

> WHY. WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS. Do you like 400 nits of #ffffff right into your eyeballs? No? Me neither. The alternative is absolute darkness with extremely bright text, which in turn makes it unreadable (if you have astigmatism as I do) and literally causes pain due to the high contrast. Nothing in nature has such an extreme contrast. The only reason anyone would ever use full contrast is if they have a shitty 6-bit…

> #ffffff is the color of looking directly into the sun and absolutely painful bright, #000000 is the color of the deepest, starless night

No. There's no definition of what they map to.

That's why we need USERS to be able to scale the ranges of brightness and contrast.

My environment changes during the day. I want to be the one in control of my screen, not some random website.

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

#134
post #7

From " http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/ " which is one up the chain: > A little less contrast WHY. WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS. To give this person credit they have at least chosen some sensible values, rather than gone with something that was just about enough on an expensive graphic designer high-contrast monitor and then not tested it on anything else. Leaving the rest of us squinting to try and read text or manua…

High contrast is harsh on the eyes. Black on white is very tiresome for me, and can become harder to read at the end of the day. I always set the background of my text editors to dark grey.

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

#135
post #7

From " http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/ " which is one up the chain: > A little less contrast WHY. WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS. To give this person credit they have at least chosen some sensible values, rather than gone with something that was just about enough on an expensive graphic designer high-contrast monitor and then not tested it on anything else. Leaving the rest of us squinting to try and read text or manua…

Join the contrast rebellion and demand high-contrast text: https://contrastrebellion.com/

OMG that website is so easy to read! It's a breath of fresh air!

What would be really cool is if web browsers offered a mode that forced a contrast minimum when viewing websites. This would benefit devs and users alike: Users would have a pushbutton way to make bad websites readable, and devs would have a push button to show what their site would look like to users who get annoyed enough to push that button.

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

#136
post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes I know the art theory stuff about never using black because it doesn't appear naturally. I think the underlying reasons for that are underappreciated. When you pick #000000 for your text color, people won't see it as pure black anyway. Imperfections in your screen's backlighting aside, your screen reflects the ambient lighting, or, if you're outdoors and pointed the wrong direction on a sunny day, your screen r…

On a good monitor, the color contrast between #ffffff and #000000 is far beyond the contrast possible in nature. No reflective material can reach those colors or that contrast. That color contrast is perfect for a game, a movie or an image. But you don't want the feeling of something as bright as looking into the fucking sun mixed with the darkness of the deepest starless night. That's just painful, both in light mod…

> If you use a color-calibrated

Over 99% of users don't, most phones are not high end and as such don't have such a screen.

> feeling of something as bright as looking into the fucking sun

Again, not a experience around 99% of internet users can follow, their devices don't get that bright, especially not on a per-pixel basis.

Also most people use devices in rooms with varying degrees of natural sunlight showing in.

And if whites are to bright then it's because my screen is wrongly setup for my eyes/usage. A perfect color calibrated screen is ironically often not a perfectly setup screen for normal usage.

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

#137
post #68

The stylesheet for this website is linked as such: https://perfectmotherfuckingwebsite.com/fuckingstyle.css?v=0... And is minified. So not very simple, which was the whole point of http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ So I would say there is some room for improvement, and calling it `perfect' is premature.

The delicious irony is that this adds an extra point of failure (the request to the CSS file may time out), which brings us right back to the message of the original...

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

#138
post #7

From " http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/ " which is one up the chain: > A little less contrast WHY. WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS. To give this person credit they have at least chosen some sensible values, rather than gone with something that was just about enough on an expensive graphic designer high-contrast monitor and then not tested it on anything else. Leaving the rest of us squinting to try and read text or manua…

I personally find dark mode with too much contrast to be harder to read. I experience real discomfort otherwise, so I don't think it's as simple as "more contrast is always better".

I think it comes down to what you're used to, what your vision is like, and how sensitive your eyes are. Some prefer high contrast, some don't.

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

#139
post #79
post #7

From " http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/ " which is one up the chain: > A little less contrast WHY. WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS. To give this person credit they have at least chosen some sensible values, rather than gone with something that was just about enough on an expensive graphic designer high-contrast monitor and then not tested it on anything else. Leaving the rest of us squinting to try and read text or manua…

> WHY. WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS. Do you like 400 nits of #ffffff right into your eyeballs? No? Me neither. The alternative is absolute darkness with extremely bright text, which in turn makes it unreadable (if you have astigmatism as I do) and literally causes pain due to the high contrast. Nothing in nature has such an extreme contrast. The only reason anyone would ever use full contrast is if they have a shitty 6-bit…

This is a case study in why I override display on so many websites.

> don't build a worse website to compensate for your shitty panel

Never change.

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

#140

I want to hecking scream. The point of the original website in this chain was not that you couldn't do media queries, or that all of your designs had to be unstyled. It was a gosh-darned satire that showed that even if you did literally nothing , your website would still be responsive and readable and load fast. The fact that it did nothing, that it was just a completely unstyled HTML page was the reason that the jok…

I beg to differ. The first website looks horrible on widescreen displays. A lot of old websites follow the style of first website and their readability could be improved 10 times by adding 10 lines of CSS.
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