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The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by _nalply »

valarauko wrote: post #96
guscost wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been saying this for many years, and have been condescended to a lot (by friends, even) for saying it. We clearly don’t have the faintest understanding of the long-term dynamics of something like SARS, when all the conventional model parameters go to such extremes. And when the disease is evolving. And when people retreat inside and stop getting sun. And so on.

> I have been saying this for many years, and have been condescended to a lot (by friends, even) for saying it. What exactly have you been saying?

He maintains that he has been laughed off for his wild conspiracy theories.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by mrkramer »

hinkley wrote: post #129
mrkramer wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should I cry that mother nature doesn't like me? It's not like I can do something about natural disaster(hurricane, flood, earthquake, volcano eruption etc.) killing me.

So centuries of civil engineering advances by the Netherlands and Japan don't count as 'doing something'?

Doing as an individual not as a society. Of course I can go to engineering school and help build defense mechanisms but as an average Joe I can move the needle only so much. I was speaking about a life of an individual not of human society or human civilization.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by hinkley »

mrkramer wrote: post #133
hinkley wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So centuries of civil engineering advances by the Netherlands and Japan don't count as 'doing something'?

Doing as an individual not as a society. Of course I can go to engineering school and help build defense mechanisms but as an average Joe I can move the needle only so much. I was speaking about a life of an individual not of human society or human civilization.

You can choose to move away (although then you might have to deal with lightning and tornadoes and droughts), or you can choose to live in areas with better code compliance. Those are still in your control.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

robotbikes wrote: post #25
mrkramer wrote: post #5

Another reason I personally would not like to get vaccinated. Nature and evolution solve all problems sooner or later.

People should be free to make choices regarding their own body but the notion of "nature" as an anthromorphic problem solver and superiority of genes is pretty out of sync with our reality. There are many augmentations we use to help survive and vaccines are no different. Glasses for instance are not "natural" but I don't see many people arguing that we should only let those with 20/20 vision survive. Going down that…

> Glasses for instance are not "natural"

There is quite a bit of pseudoscience on the internet that people don't really need glasses, they can train their eyes to work without them. See, for instance, the so-called Bates method[0], which had been well-debunked already in the mid-20th-century but, like so many quack claims, got a new life from the web.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bates_method

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by Bancakes »

WhompingWindows wrote: post #44
insickness wrote: post #2

"From the moment the invaders arrived, breathed our air, ate and drank, they were doomed. They were undone, destroyed, after all of man's weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this earth. By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet's infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither…

"the tiniest creatures God in his wisdom put upon this earth" The writing is nice but flawed. Since War of the Worlds, we have advanced tremendously and no longer need intelligent design or creation myths to explain microorganisms. Reproducible, testable science demonstrates that in the primordial oceans, self-replicating molecules which were slightly better at self-replicating produced globules of matter capable of…

I don't see the contradiction honestly. They are creatures and they are here. Maybe you misinterpret what a creature is.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by mrkramer »

hinkley wrote: post #134
mrkramer wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doing as an individual not as a society. Of course I can go to engineering school and help build defense mechanisms but as an average Joe I can move the needle only so much. I was speaking about a life of an individual not of human society or human civilization.

You can choose to move away (although then you might have to deal with lightning and tornadoes and droughts), or you can choose to live in areas with better code compliance. Those are still in your control.

Yea I or you should evaluate risk factors but there is always a degree of randomness involved. There is no place on Earth you are 100% safe from natural disasters.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by gher-shyu3i »

behringer wrote: post #127
gher-shyu3i wrote: post #101

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Science does not and will not be able to explain the origin of life. The statement still holds. It's very arrogant of us to assume otherwise.

Why wouldn't it. If it has an answer science can find it.

Because it's beyond the realm of space and time. We can't go back before t=0 when the universe was created.
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