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Why are so many successful founding CEOs software engineers?

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Re: Why are so many successful founding CEOs software engineers?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pushing 60 and university is STILL one of the most formative events, if not the most formative event, in my lifetime.

Anything you do in your twenties ends up being the most formative in general.

Sort of my point, saying that what you majored in uni doesn't matter is a bit silly.

Re: Why are so many successful founding CEOs software engineers?

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Apple of course shouldn't be in this list at all, Wozniak was never a CEO and I'm sure he'd be terrible.

I'm also not sure many of the others qualify either, were Sergey and Larry "good CEOs"?

As others have noted, the correlation between developer CEOs and success is that many of the most successful companies today are software companies. Is there even a single large non-tech company with a developer as CEO?

If anything I would assume developers are substantially worse than average as CEOs, from lacking interpersonal skills to exaggerated focus on details.

Re: Why are so many successful founding CEOs software engineers?

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Apple of course shouldn't be in this list at all, Wozniak was never a CEO and I'm sure he'd be terrible. I'm also not sure many of the others qualify either, were Sergey and Larry "good CEOs"? As others have noted, the correlation between developer CEOs and success is that many of the most successful companies today are software companies. Is there even a single large non-tech company with a developer as CEO? If anyt…

change good to successful

Re: Why are so many successful founding CEOs software engineers?

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All of the people on this list are "software engineers" in the sense that they have some rudimentary education in the field. Almost none of them could get a job as a software engineer at their own company, if they had to, because they would be completely unqualified. And I'm not looking down my nose at anyone: I have an undergraduate degree in CS, but I got it 16 years ago and then went to law school, and there is no…

You can call yourself a developer if you do a startup. I distunguish SEs based on how deep they go. Developers can throw up a house in the suburbs. An engineer might be needed to extract water or something specific. CS is a good qualifer for an engineer, while a developer can be the neighbor kid.

This is a better way of putting the point I was inelegantly grasping at. The neighbor kid is just an industrious kid---they happen to be nailing up drywall, but it's not that nailing up the drywall is why they end up running Berkshire Hathaway (or whatever) later. It's that they're industrious, and have various other traits that---in some other context---would result in them doing whatever else.

Maybe they turn into the engineer who can extract water, if only for reasons of path-dependency. And in a world where water-extraction is a valuable industry, that path-dependent contingency will result in them maybe starting a valuable water-extraction engineering firm. But it's not that nailing up drywall as a kid made them uniquely qualified. It's that they were industrious and smart and had sufficient fortune and whatever else. Which is good, all that stuff is good.

Re: Why are so many successful founding CEOs software engineers?

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Apple of course shouldn't be in this list at all, Wozniak was never a CEO and I'm sure he'd be terrible. I'm also not sure many of the others qualify either, were Sergey and Larry "good CEOs"? As others have noted, the correlation between developer CEOs and success is that many of the most successful companies today are software companies. Is there even a single large non-tech company with a developer as CEO? If anyt…

> Apple of course shouldn't be in this list at all, Wozniak was never a CEO and I'm sure he'd be terrible.

Wozniak is many great things, but sadly yes he probably would have been:

https://www.lamag.com/mag-features/steve-wozniak-us-fest/

Re: Why are so many successful founding CEOs software engineers?

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Does anyone find this methodology lazy, if not disingenuous? - Google/Alphabet's current CEO is a materials engineer [0] - Apple's current CEO is an MBA with a degree in industrial engineering [1]. Jobs, the founding CEO, was also not a software engineer. - Amazon's CEO, Bezos, was a software engineer [2], but it's widely known that he didn't do programming work for Amazon. I don't think he would consider himself a "…

I agree with you except about Bezos, the point is not if you work as a developer while you're the CEO, if that was the metric no CEO of a large company would "be" anything.

Re: Why are so many successful founding CEOs software engineers?

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Wow, talk about assuming correlation implies causation. I think the obvious lesson here is when society becomes reoriented around a new field (in this case software), people with experience in that field are going to do well.

I'm the author bawolff, and I completely agree that the success of software engineers as CEOs is correlation, not causation. The likely cause is that software engineers learn to discover value by running value experiments. Zuckerberg and Bezos are well known for their value experiments in production. I believe that the nature of pursuing new value, in effect, taught them this practice. And to the comment below, when…

If you gave a list of non-software companies that had software engineers as their CEOs, i'd give this some credence, but as is this is kind of rediculous when you have a giant elephant in the room confounding factor that you're pretending doesn't exist.

> Prospecting for oil is one concrete form of the abstract pattern of discovering value

So is literally everything.

Police officer: discovering value by figuring out the right person to arrest

Doctor: discovering value by figuring out what disease.

Etc

Re: Why are so many successful founding CEOs software engineers?

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All of the people on this list are "software engineers" in the sense that they have some rudimentary education in the field. Almost none of them could get a job as a software engineer at their own company, if they had to, because they would be completely unqualified. And I'm not looking down my nose at anyone: I have an undergraduate degree in CS, but I got it 16 years ago and then went to law school, and there is no…

> My God, they have the secrets of for loops, S-expressions, they know about vim---and yet they aren't running Pfizer? Why not?

Because programming is too much fun.

Re: Why are so many successful founding CEOs software engineers?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I did, which is why I find it so disingenuous. I mean, looking at their chart, 7/10 do not have software engineer CEOs. And Wozniak was never CEO of Apple. "Contributing to creative and technical designs" does not make you a software engineer. LOL. Might as well give my grandmother the moniker as well (she's contributed to some creative designs for my startup). -- Also, it's a terribly written article. I mean, t…

> And Wozniak was never CEO of Apple. In terms of title? No. In terms of function? Well sure, he's a co-founder.

Co-founder has nothing to do with CEO. Clearly Wozniak was the technical co-founder, not the business co-founder. I have never seen any hint of him being anything but terrible at business.

Re: Why are so many successful founding CEOs software engineers?

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What this seems to show is that CEOs in a particular sector often have expertise in that sector. And that Tech is currently the most highly valued sector as measured by market capitalisation. To find evidence of Software Engineers being the best CEOs overall you'd really need to find examples of them running non-tech firms successfully or examples of non-Software Engineers running tech firms poorly.

I'm the original author, and I certainly believe that there are all kinds of great CEOs. What I am saying in this article is that software engineering CEOs are breaking out due to the super-infrastructure that is software, and that guys like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are using software to speed the value fulfillment cycle -- see https://iism.org/post/glossary-value-fulfillment-cycle-68

I mean i think its clear what you're saying, the evidence you provide just doesn't support your conclusion all that well compared to the other possibilities.
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