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Bitcoin miners in Abkhazia are causing blackouts in remote villages [video]

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So now the developing world will start using their energy to mine BTC instead of manufacturing goods for us to consume. Will this ultimately cause inflation then? Because demand for goods will not be met? This crypto experiment keeps yielding more interesting results.

Yep, trillions of dollars got printed but BTC energy will cause inflation.

Re: Bitcoin miners in Abkhazia are causing blackouts in remote villages [video]

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The speaker doesn’t mention any blackouts, she only describes how they shut down few illegal crypto farms (only 230 units of unspecified model or power consumption).

I believe there is more to the story and that doesn’t mean that there is no blackouts, but for completeness sake this video is incoherent with this thread’s headline. Blackouts may be caused by e.g. shitty, cheap, unmaintainable grid, or by local corruption that feeds from these farms and doesn’t officially demand higher loads from energy providers to cover the difference. My (completely subjective) opinion is that not taking it at the face value is a pretty safe move. (Disclosure: russian, non pro-crypto guy)

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We should define something like a "Nakamoto scale" . A Nakamoto Type I civilization would be one that converts all available power of a planet into waste heat and funny numbers, a Nakamoto Type II civilization does that with all the power output of a star and so on... basically the Kardashev scale [0] but with the restriction that useful output SHOULD NOT be produced [1]. Edit: lowered requirement level from MUST NOT…

Arthur C. Clarke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God

"overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out."

Eventually we will have calculated all the necessary derivations and the universe will come to an end.

Re: Bitcoin miners in Abkhazia are causing blackouts in remote villages [video]

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I think some of the furor over bitcoin power usage is overblown. It's true, as crypto folks say, that the power is doing "something."

It's more that...a system where you will pay anyone who finds any cheap power source anywhere in the internet-connected world no matter how they get it is obviously going to have awful externalities. Even though most people will be reasonably ok about it, enough people we be shitty enough to turn any worldwide no-checks system into a hellscape.

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Comparing life itself to crypto is ridiculous.

It's not, unless you think that e.g. cyanobacteria causing the Great Oxidation Event were somehow objectively more useful than cryptocurrencies. Mind you the Great Oxidation Event wiped good chunk of life back then. Mainly because oxygen was toxic to anaerobic life and it also oxidized methane making Earth into a snowball.

"Use" is always in relation to an someone's or something's end. Without knowing what the relevant ones are, the comparison fails.

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Idea to solve the crypto energy problem - sell space heaters as dual purpose crypto miners. People need space heaters. They buy them, but they also mine crypto (as a free byproduct of the space heating). The number of crypto mining space heaters out there dilute the value of dedicated mining so much that people don't bother with it anymore. Even buying the space heater to make money from mining crypto doesn't make th…

What do you do with them in the summer? What about warmer climates where you don't need a heater?

The idea is there are enough people using space heaters on the planet at any given time to dilute any gain from dedicated crypto mining.

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This is basically what all life does. Thermodynamically, life can be described as an open system which makes use of gradients in its surroundings to create imperfect copies of itself. Crypto currencies still have a problem with creating copies of itself, but humans are happy to oblige.

Comparing life itself to crypto is ridiculous.

From the outside view of an alien observer, is there any difference to us plastering mars with solar panels for crypto mining vs plastering mars with suburban developments? Would we, had we a powerful telescope pointed at a neighbouring solar system, be able to tell the difference?

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Ethereum also uses Proof Of Work mining....

Large scale ETH miner here who uses excess hydro. ETH uses PoW, but the long term plan for ETH is to move to PoS. I'm going to address one large difference between ETH PoW and Bitcoin PoW that people rarely talk about, which is the hardware differences. ETH did something relatively smart and tried to peg the hardware to GPUs. This had the effect of ensuring that there would not be the same speed race wars that (imho)…

PoS is never going to work. They have been delaying it for over 5 years now. There is no way to switch to a proof of stake system that has the same guarentees as proof of work.

On the other hand, most applications of ethereum don't need a blockchain or proof of work at all, since they are inherently vulnerable to attacks by centralized parties.

Re: Bitcoin miners in Abkhazia are causing blackouts in remote villages [video]

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post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comparing life itself to crypto is ridiculous.

It's not, unless you think that e.g. cyanobacteria causing the Great Oxidation Event were somehow objectively more useful than cryptocurrencies. Mind you the Great Oxidation Event wiped good chunk of life back then. Mainly because oxygen was toxic to anaerobic life and it also oxidized methane making Earth into a snowball.

For all us, uh, air breathing mammals, yes, the great oxidation event was a great deal more useful, objectively, than cryptocurrencies.
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