Same amount of L3 cache (16MB) as the good old R7 1700? I guess 14++++++++ doesn't fit more? :D
Would be interesting to see a 65W comparison.
Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake
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Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
Price is the biggest factor. You can get 10 cores with Intel for cheaper than 8 with AMD, plus with Intel you get integrated graphics as well which is really important right now considering the GPU shortage. Also, Intel allows virtual GPUs for virtualization in QEMU which AMD won't do.
“Choose Intel because it’s cheaper than AMD” is one of those arguments that make you realise how quickly the world changes.
The whole situation is a kind of surreal 180-degree turn of what things looked like 5+ years ago and a testament to how far AMD has come.
"Yeah go with Intel if you don't need top performance because the CPUs offer more[0], but slower cores, albeit with much higher power draw and a decent-enough integrated GPU at a cheaper price point."
Are you sure we're not talking about early 2010s era AMD APUs?
[0]: There are as many caveats here as there were 10 years ago for AMD.
Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake
#133RIP Intel... They need their new process node and whatever new architecture they have in the pipe to land -soon-. Looks like my 9900k might be the last Intel processor I buy for a long time unless things drastically change.
Either I had really bad timing or bad luck, but somehow I am ending up with Intel even though I really wanted to switch. Around 2012 I bought a 4-core Core i5 and after some basic upgrades (max RAM to 32GB and a good SSD) it had more-than-acceptable performance for my work until mid-2018. Even when I dabbled with Machine Learning I borrowed a 1070 from my office and was plenty to run my tasks. Around end of 2018 I st…
AMD is beating Intel on performance, but with recent price cuts, Intel is offering VERY good value right now and also much better availability. If you don't need the absolute best, Intel is the way to go easily.
Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake
#134291W... whoa!
To be fair that's the peak under AVX-512, and looks like early firmware that might not do all the power management right yet. Still, I can't get my 5950X to ever come anywhere close to that, even running AVX2 Prime95 with max overclocking tops out at 190-ish IIRC.
4.6 GHz all core with AVX512 surprised me. At least AVX512 downclocking seems to be a Skylake problem.
Ice Lake (which Rocket Lake is a backport of) similarly doesn't downclock much: https://travisdowns.github.io/blog/2020/08/19/icl-avx512-fre...
The 100+C temperatures suggest it probably should downclock a bit, at least on 14nm.
Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
Grudge or not, it's not like he's been wrong the last few years. Turns out all the negativity is well justified...
Yep, he's been saying the sky was falling for some time, and it turns out he was pretty accurate in his statements on Intel's problems. This review makes it clear that unless Intel magically gets a process improvement they're entirely screwed. This is precisely the same kind of design issue that hit with the latter end of the P4 era, where thermal limitations were so severe that they were crippling the chips. I'd hav…
Are they really?
AMD will make gains for sure at this rate, but TSMC can't serve the whole market. Intel owns fabs, and these rocket lake chips will sell to the mainstream just fine.
I expect intel's fabs to be a big asset in these COVID times with sold out computers.
Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake
#136i7-10700K to the i7-11700K Single thread floating point: +19.0% Multi-thread floating point: +19.5% Single thread integer: +13.0% Multi-thread integer: +7.3% Jesus. Just overclocking the RAM for the 10700k would give a similar performance increase. Along with 291W, this 10nm->14nm backport is not working out well for Intel. PS My work desktop died on Wednesday afternoon during the SpaceX SN10 flight. I rushed to my l…
Why didn’t you just go with AMD?
> Why didn’t you just go with AMD?
It's out of stock everywhere..
Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to mention, where would you get an adequate GPU to go along with it unless you already have one.
GPU is not a prerequisite unless you're into gaming or ML. For someone like me, a GeForce 8800GT is sufficient, but I'll take all the cores and RAM I can get.
Some form of GPU with modern display out is needed for some multi-monitor setups (mostly 4k), even if you don't do ML or gaming. Unfortunately there are also many motherboards out there that only support running one 4k monitor at 60 Hz even if the integrated graphics support more.
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#138I think at this point we're just waiting for Windows and Linux to be fully supported on the M1 or for ARM to come out with a system on a chip that's documented enough for Windows and Linux to make a port.
You can buy a couple different Qualcomm-based Windows ARM laptops today, like the Surface Pro X. There's even a ~5 year old Asus (or maybe Acer) laptop using a Snapdragon processor that you can find for dirt cheap on ebay.
ARM is not the gatekeeper or reason why windows on ARM is lagging--the ARM ISA is fully documented and available to license holders (of which Microsoft is certainly one). Microsoft is the reason windows on ARM is a bit of a hot mess. They let the windows ARM platform languish for years and are scrambling like mad to catch up now (both in the Azure server space, and in the consumer space).
Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake
#139i7-10700K to the i7-11700K Single thread floating point: +19.0% Multi-thread floating point: +19.5% Single thread integer: +13.0% Multi-thread integer: +7.3% Jesus. Just overclocking the RAM for the 10700k would give a similar performance increase. Along with 291W, this 10nm->14nm backport is not working out well for Intel. PS My work desktop died on Wednesday afternoon during the SpaceX SN10 flight. I rushed to my l…
Why didn’t you just go with AMD?
OP is implying the i5 was Pareto-optimal in terms of price and performance.
Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake
#140I see nothing in this review that would make me choose the Intel part over a Ryzen 5800X.
Price is the biggest factor. You can get 10 cores with Intel for cheaper than 8 with AMD, plus with Intel you get integrated graphics as well which is really important right now considering the GPU shortage. Also, Intel allows virtual GPUs for virtualization in QEMU which AMD won't do.
I'm just cracking a smile and almost laughing at the thought that 25 years ago I wanted an Intel Pentium but had to settle for a cheaper AMD 586 clone that ran hotter and performed worse. My, my, my how the tables have turned on Intel...