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Element Matrix Services Announces Element Home

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Re: Element Matrix Services Announces Element Home

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For those interested in self-hosting the home server, I would recommend https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy - the documentation is fantastic and it’s very well maintained.

The minute you mention Github, you lose 98% of human beings? This is clearly aimed at those who just want something to work out of the box, surely? HN is not the target audience I guess.

Re: Element Matrix Services Announces Element Home

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Currently we're using AWS (but we're hoping to become more cloud agnostic in the future). (I head up Element Matrix Services)

> Currently we're using AWS (but we're hoping to become more cloud agnostic in the future). If you're not using Lightsail, you're overpaying. Look at this comparison: https://www.vpsbenchmarks.com/compare/ec2_vs_vultr AWS bandwidth through anything but Lightsail is 1000 times more expensive. AWS servers are 3-5x more expensive. AWS isn't successful because it's good, it's successful because it has good marketing. Loo…

Thanks for the info on Lightsail. We'll look in to it as one of the options for the future.

As for AWS, yep, they're certainly not cheap, but they do have good points in quite a few areas and give you a great number of tools to build with. Hopefully the trick is not to get too dependent upon their infrastructure, and we'll definitely be looking to other cloud platforms to help bring the costs down in future.

> Is Element hiring, by the way? Here's a look at my skills, if you're interested: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26305569

Yes, we are hiring (and are rapidly growing at the moment)! Thanks for the link - I'll pass it on to one of the team (not just saying that, I really will). That said, in the mean time you're probably best to have a look at the open positions (https://apply.workable.com/elementio/) and see if there's something there that particularly takes your fancy. If there is, apply, and say that Rick from EMS sent you via way of HN ;)

Re: Element Matrix Services Announces Element Home

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Hi - I head up Element Matrix Services (EMS), so hopefully I can answer some of these questions for you. Element home is really aimed at helping to get less technical users up and running with their own home on Matrix as quickly and easily as possible. Under the hood Element Home servers and our smaller / Nickel products are pretty similar (similar resource allocations etc.). The main differences are in the setup pro…

Ok! Thanks for the detailed answer, that makes sense. Maybe could the comparison page do with another point in Home's favour to this effect?

Yep, it's a good point (thanks for the feedback). I'll see what we can come up with.

Re: Element Matrix Services Announces Element Home

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Up to 5 Monthly Active Users are included in your subscription. After that you can add additional users at an additional $2 per user per month. It's worth noting that the Monthly Active bit can be quite important. What this means is that you're not charged for the number of users registered on your server, but the number who are actively using the server. Users are only considered as "active" and counting towards the…

This is so much more expensive than Slack. If you were comparable you might have a sell with E2EE but this seems way off. [edit: seems like I failed to parse Slack's pricing page. Slack is expensive as hell. Carry on]

Are you kdding? Slack is at least three times that:

> €6.25 per active user per month billed annually. > Or, €7.50 per active user per month, billed monthly.

https://slack.com/pricing/standard?from_pricing=1

Re: Element Matrix Services Announces Element Home

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AFAIK they do, just not in a way that anyone but the sender and receiver(s) can read.

Encrypted messages are stored on their servers only until they are delivered, and then deleted. From their privacy policy: Messages. Signal cannot decrypt or otherwise access the content of your messages or calls. Signal queues end-to-end encrypted messages on its servers for delivery to devices that are temporarily offline (e.g. a phone whose battery has died). Your message history is stored on your own devices. Add…

That's good nuance; not what I'd understand as "not storing it on their servers", but really the best you could want, IMHO.

Re: Element Matrix Services Announces Element Home

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As you probably saw in the blog post, the ability to do this is currently only offered via the desktop app, which I do not use. I only use the web interface, the Android app, and a non-Element matrix client. Element said in the blog post that it will add this option to the Android app, and once it does, I will use it and subscribe. Hopefully that answers your question.

The Element desktop app SEGFAULTs on startup when I run it on Debian (partly "unstable", like everybody). Curiously, a prior version used to work, and then recently started crashing with no apparent changes, and still crashes apparently the same way after upgrading to the latest release. It is possible that one of its 100+ library dependencies updated, and Element depends on behavior not retained. I have not dug into…

Strace says Desktop Element crashes after a series of calls to recvmsg; one returns 32 bytes, then four fail with EAGAIN. Gdb says SIGSEGV at 0x000055555a03b652, which points into /usr/bin/element-desktop, v1.7.21 from packages.riot.im/debian/. So, probably not a dependency.

Re: Element Matrix Services Announces Element Home

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Is there a whatsapp bridge?

Yes, but it is not being offered as a hosted service atm: https://github.com/tulir/mautrix-whatsapp https://element.io/element-matrix-store

You would not want some sort of popular Whatsapp bridge. That would an easy target for Facebook. It would likely be blocked.

Better for everyone to run their own bridges...

Re: Element Matrix Services Announces Element Home

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This is so much more expensive than Slack. If you were comparable you might have a sell with E2EE but this seems way off. [edit: seems like I failed to parse Slack's pricing page. Slack is expensive as hell. Carry on]

Are you kdding? Slack is at least three times that: > €6.25 per active user per month billed annually. > Or, €7.50 per active user per month, billed monthly. https://slack.com/pricing/standard?from_pricing=1

The mobile page wasn't that clear... That is not cheap at all. Thanks.

Re: Element Matrix Services Announces Element Home

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> For 5 bucks a month I run my own server with almost a dozen folks on it, which requires basically zero maintenance (I can count the number of times I've had to go in and restart it over the past two years on one hand). Yes, but how much work was it to get set up in the first place? There's a reason that people pay for Wordpress subscriptions, even though you and I can set up static hosting off Gitlab pages (for exa…

Anecdotally, it took me about an afternoon. I realize that I'm more technical than the average person, so setting up the certs and installing the python deps was a breeze because I've done it before; the documentation for the synapse homeserver was also quite good. I see where you're coming from, but is this offering geared towards people like that? Looks like there's a significant push to get people who've had their…

And if $5 a month is worth the hassle of self hosting, I'm glad you have a way to save it. My time is my most valuable resource, if I can get the benefits of self hosting, and not have to do the work, I'll spend that $5 any day.

Re: Element Matrix Services Announces Element Home

#140

For those interested in self-hosting the home server, I would recommend https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy - the documentation is fantastic and it’s very well maintained.

My main issue with self-hosting has been federation bandwidth requirements. I joined the very quiet `#homeowners:matrix.org` announcement room, but because almost 600 other people are in there my server was inundated with presence messages (just in case I wanted to know which of those 600 were online right now).

Oh, and there's no way to prevent receiving these messages. They arrive on the same endpoint as non-presence messages, and you can't signal to the sender to stop sending them.

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