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Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by ergocoder »

zyl1n wrote: post #55
freeburma wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She was not. AASK never had any authority over the military. At all. Military was legally above elected government before the coup, controls all the courts, legally guaranteed 25% of the legislature, wrote the constitution, and the comander-in-chief was never appointed by elected government. Military never answered to AASK or took orders from her or the president. At best, you could call AASK an apologist for militar…

If military never answered to her or took orders, control all the courts like you said, what is the point of the coup?

Because she was gaining more support/momentum, and she is going toward the direction the military doesn't like.

The coup proves that she never really had any authority to begin with.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by jtdev »

freeburma wrote: post #41
5tefan wrote: post #40

I try to understand how this decision came to be and I have no idea? A standardised set of rules would surely lead to many many more pages being taking down. And why now and not last week?

Because Myanmar people lobbied for it. The military is shooting its own people, kidnapping them in the middle of the night, and torturing them. Over 10 protestors dead and 50+ injured, as they are using live rounds on protestors. Over 500+ disappeared or kidnapped. Protestors killed include two teenagers shot in the head, one of them a medic. They also shot at ambulance. They’ve threatened to kill doctors. Stole the…

References please.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by WanderPanda »

sep_field wrote: post #79
bko wrote: post #77

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> Noone needs Facebook, it serves no valid purpose for the human race Billions of people find value in facebook and use it daily. Who are you to make that call?

They'll be able to find value in nonmonopolized and nonalgorithmic versions of the services that Facebook has gobbled up, just like they did before Facebook existed. I'm not making that call, I'm making a prediction and hoping it comes true, and contributing to a discussion that may possibly, in some small way, contribute to it coming true. If you look around this thread, you'll notice some other people that seem to…

Doesn't this get boring at some point? By now everyone should be aware of the implications of using Facebook/Instagram/WhatsApp and they still use it. Must it be the pure evilness of Facebook which manipulates the whole world or might it be possible that they are actually providing value to people?

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by nitrogen »

jryle70 wrote: post #93
sep_field wrote: post #79

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They'll be able to find value in nonmonopolized and nonalgorithmic versions of the services that Facebook has gobbled up, just like they did before Facebook existed. I'm not making that call, I'm making a prediction and hoping it comes true, and contributing to a discussion that may possibly, in some small way, contribute to it coming true. If you look around this thread, you'll notice some other people that seem to…

Incredibly narrow minded. FB page is a godsend for a lot of small businesses, especially during the pandemic. A friend of mine's 85 year old mom post her activities daily on FB. Great joy and peace of mind for my friend, as they live ocean apart. The old lady wouldn't gonna stop using FB, or wait for a different platform that suits your world view. By all means, work on a better solution, don't just speak up if you f…

People did all of the things they now do on Facebook before, using email, phone calls, SMS, Flickr, slide film, photo albums, phone books...

Facebook can't claim credit for natural human activity just because Facebook's network effects give most people no choice in what digital city to live.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by sep_field »

nodesocket wrote: post #123
sep_field wrote: post #59

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I'm not really wanting to accumulate a fanbase that's interested in my opinions just because I have them, and I doubt I have anything worthwhile to say about just any random question. I add my contributions where I think I have something worthwhile to say -- if others appreciate my contribution as well that's a win-win. Thanks for your interest, its flattering, but I don't see an AMA working out.

In this post, you also commented (but deleted now): > Fuck small businesses. Fuck big businesses too. Death to capitalism. Perhaps you’d enjoy Venezuela. As a small business owner myself I don’t take too kindly to this comment, but would like to offer some advice. Maybe go out and start a business or cause your passionate about and that interests you. This anti-capitalism / business attitude negativity is toxic for y…

I deleted it because it was overly emotive and didn't constructively add to the conversation. It being deleted, you were welcome to have ignored it.

Since you didn't, however, you should know that your advice is pointless. Everything you've achieved will be lost. All your loved ones will die, along with your enemies. All the same is true for me.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by nradov »

sep_field wrote: post #38
sillysaurusx wrote: post #33

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I'm not sure this is a realistic worldview though. This supposes there will be a facebook competitor. As the decades march on, perhaps there will be, but it might not be till we're long gone. There still isn't a competitor to Google, for example. Parler was a competitor to Twitter, and you saw how that played out. The next competitor is going to have to deal with that quandary.

Duckduckgo is a competitor to Google. Its based on Yandex and Bing, two other competitors to Google. Noone needs Facebook, it serves no valid purpose for the human race. Same with Twitter. We don't need them, and we don't need competition for them. They should go away with no replacement. Source: was Facebook engineer. Listened to Fuckerberg make one too many all-hands speeches about engagement. Resigned several year…

I don't need Facebook but it sure is the best way to share my underwater photographs with friends. Nothing else provides the same usability, reach, or ability to engage with other users.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by andrewzah »

nradov wrote: post #136
sep_field wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Duckduckgo is a competitor to Google. Its based on Yandex and Bing, two other competitors to Google. Noone needs Facebook, it serves no valid purpose for the human race. Same with Twitter. We don't need them, and we don't need competition for them. They should go away with no replacement. Source: was Facebook engineer. Listened to Fuckerberg make one too many all-hands speeches about engagement. Resigned several year…

I don't need Facebook but it sure is the best way to share my underwater photographs with friends. Nothing else provides the same usability, reach, or ability to engage with other users.

Well, there is Instagram... also owned by Facebook :-)

I do agree that there isn’t a alternative for fb groups. And marketplace is better than Craigslist in my area.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by andrewzah »

sep_field wrote: post #42
quietbritishjim wrote: post #39

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The practical reality is that sharing photos of some group event with the other people at that event is easy in Facebook, and hard to imagine how to do that without some analogous service. I'm aware that many people use Facebook for other odd things but this was Facebook's original use case, and the literal source of its name, and it is still useful for that. Even if you could come up with some alternative or even de…

Facebook runs a huge amount of different services. Some of them have value, but they are ones that people had and have other alternatives for. This doesn't mean that Facebook as a whole has value, as the whole is more evil than the sum of its parts. Anything of value will not be lost as we de-Facebook the planet. Also, the original use case of Facebook was for Mark and his buddies to rate the attractiveness of their…

Hardline stances like this just lose people. C’mon, _no_ benefit whatsoever?

I quit fb around 2015 or so and it bit me when dealing with groups/events and social exchanges. Meetup wasn’t as big and it’s still not as good as fb since less people use it.

Fb marketplace is more useful for me than craiglist usually, but both are good to check.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by barbacoa »

wutbrodo wrote: post #117
newacct583 wrote: post #95

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Only "left-leaning" people oppose the Myanmar coup?

The details of the coup aren't understood or cared about that deeply by American discourse. But the idea that it's trivial and salutary to identify and ban "bad" or "dangerous" speech is decisively left-coded right now, in exactly the way similar impulses were right-coded during periods of rightwing political dominance (immediately post-9/11, parts of the Cold War, etc)

All these recent events involving censorship and left aligned tech companies eerily reminds me a passage the Unabomber wrote in his manifesto back in the 1990s.

" Some leftists may seem to oppose technology, but they will oppose it only so long as they are outsiders and the technological system is controlled by non-leftists. If leftism ever becomes dominant in society, so that the technological system becomes a tool in the hands of leftists, they will enthusiastically use it and promote its growth. In doing this they will be repeating a pattern that leftism has shown again and again in the past. When the Bolsheviks in Russia were outsiders, they vigorously opposed censorship and the secret police, they advocated self-determination for ethnic minorities, and so forth; but as soon as they came into power themselves, they imposed a tighter censorship and created a more ruthless secret police than any that had existed under the tsars, and they oppressed ethnic minorities at least as much as the tsars had done. In the United States, a couple of decades ago when leftists were a minority in our universities, leftist professors were vigorous proponents of academic freedom, but today, in those of our universities where leftists have become dominant, they have shown themselves ready to take away from everyone else's academic freedom. (This is "political correctness.") The same will happen with leftists and technology: They will use it to oppress everyone else if they ever get it under their own control. "

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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Post by hg35h4 »

sep_field wrote: post #26

I'm in favor of Facebook taking down absolutely any page, whether it agrees with my political views or not. Why? Because Facebook's power comes from network effects. The more people, across the political spectrum, find their interests to be blocked on Facebook, the less people will find value in Facebook in general. Over time, this means Facebook is committing suicide. This is the best possible outcome for humanity.…

Doesn't work since big tech all works together to crush dissent and anything that goes against their business model.

Look at how attacked any right wing site is - they go after their ISPs, their CDNs, their DNS registrars, their hosting companies.

The Internet has got to the point that you cannot even operate a business if it goes against the "values" of big tech, or they chop all your arms off.

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