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A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

ded_fixer wrote: post #47

Really a sad story! the attitude of University of Florida made me angry!

University administrations are all in prairie dog mode. They are all run by fat unneeded administrative fat cats, charging wayyyyy tooooo much money, are all frightened of a bubble burst in higher ed that will cost an unknown number of institutions.

In situations like that, it is ripe for scapegoating a single institution that gets in the news for the wrong reasons.

Outside of the cream of the crop, large institutions in higher education are also tenuously tied to "reputation".

A couple bad runs, and you go from, say the University of Florida's current reputation (which is pretty good as the SEC schools go) to, say, the Mississippi schools which are basically second-rate Cal State schools academically being propped up by football money.

And then you might get dumped from your conference.

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by Clubber »

coldtea wrote: post #109
feralimal wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I was right technically, businesswise, and morally." ... and in third place, morality. And now lost in the distance. I'm not a Christian, but this is worth considering by everyone: "For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, but loses his soul? Or what will a man give as an exchange for his soul?"

> "For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, but loses his soul? It will profit them, well, the whole world. Duh! (Yeah, I know what the Christian sentiment means. But it requires the belief, if not in soul, in some trancedental good, for people to care about "loss of soul" over "gaining the world". Which, alas, we don't have as much...)

>But it requires the belief, if not in soul, in some trancedental good

The soul is your conscience, you're comfortability with yourself. The judge is your peers, family and ultimately yourself.

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by pbzcnepu »

pbzcnepu wrote: post #123

ISCA is a particularly horrible "top" conference. We've been trying to reproduce some papers with questionable methodology from ISCA'20 (including using "1 cycle access L1 cache" in simulations, something that's not really possible on modern CPUs). Of 5 paper groups contacted, 4 have not responded despite repeated requests, even when VPs of research at the university contacted. One group eventually replied, said that…

also, at ISCA'19, over half the papers were PC papers, meaning they were papers where one of the authors was on the committee that picked which papers get in. It's probably why the highers ups have been so reluctant to change the culture at the conference because it would so negatively effect all the higher-ups' publication counts

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by boublepop »

lixtra wrote: post #39

From the suicide note: > Considering that this will have an impact on my career in the future and my reputation in the area of Computer Architecture, my future life will be worse than death and I will be totally in a dilemma. Maybe we also need to change academic culture to allow people to confess academic fraud, receive punishment and than be forgiven and continue academic careers. Currently once you started, there…

> Maybe we also need to change academic culture to allow people to confess academic fraud, receive punishment and than be forgiven and continue academic careers.

Are you suggesting we forgive the professor who’s pressure and influence seems to have cause the phd students suicide?

If anything I think we need to stand firm on the harsh one direction only nature of academic misconduct, and simply provide better training and whistleblower options for students. There should never be any doubt in a students or professors mind that academic misconduct when discovered will be an end to their academic carrier.

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by xfer »

k33n wrote: post #127
ojnabieoot wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who quit a graduate program: - it looks really really really bad on your CV to not finish a graduate degree. I dropped out for health reasons with an A+ GPA and still have to delicately explain what happened to interviewers. It looks worse than just having a masters degree. - “just one more year of misery and then your career prospects will increase dramatically” is a very powerful argument and not just a…

> it looks really really really bad on your CV to not finish a graduate degree. That's something people who have no real world experience say. For one thing, nobody is forcing you to put any information on your CV. Lastly, only the lowest of the low judge such things so harshly that they won't even interview you.

> For one thing, nobody is forcing you to put any information on your CV.

And put what for the career gap? It's easier to just put the truth than to make something up for the gap years.

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by bobthechef »

coldtea wrote: post #109
feralimal wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I was right technically, businesswise, and morally." ... and in third place, morality. And now lost in the distance. I'm not a Christian, but this is worth considering by everyone: "For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, but loses his soul? Or what will a man give as an exchange for his soul?"

> "For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, but loses his soul? It will profit them, well, the whole world. Duh! (Yeah, I know what the Christian sentiment means. But it requires the belief, if not in soul, in some trancedental good, for people to care about "loss of soul" over "gaining the world". Which, alas, we don't have as much...)

Losing your soul to acquire something less valuable defeats the point of acquiring the inferior good in the first place. Every sin, every immoral act, is such an act of self-betrayal and spiritual self-mutilation. It is an act that is so profoundly nonsensical, stupid, and absurd that it boggles the mind. But given what we might call the human condition, the moral life is made difficult, especially because we have a tendency to rebel against the truth and because we are cowards. But it is the only road to true happiness.

So here's your city of gold and your garden of delights, but only if you desecrate and destroy yourself, cripple your mind, poison your heart, and blind yourself first. Oh, and here's the cherry on top: when you lay in your self-made gutter, let all these riches taste to you like ash.

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

xenihn wrote: post #29
tobmlt wrote: post #19

I want to express sympathies in a particular way: When I had a job I didn’t want, in a city i didn’t want, no kids, no wife, and prospects abounding, it was easy to speak truth to power. I did it, and I was right technically, businesswise, and morally. What a win...(?) Now, I have my dream job, my dream location, my own damn house, and my family. -Whole thing feels like a dream I might wake up from if I am not carefu…

>Now, I have my dream job, my dream location, my own damn house, and my family. -Whole thing feels like a dream I might wake up from if I am not careful... and I feel totally weighed down when it comes to speaking up in a way I would have never countenanced a few years ago. I'm not at this point yet, but reading this makes me wonder why any employer would ever prefer younger employees with nothing tying them down, fo…

HN is filled with ultra talented devs getting offers.

It's not that easy to find a new job for 90% of the population.

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

xenihn wrote: post #94
timwaagh wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having to pay less is pretty major if you are the one doing the paying.

Sure, but is it cheaper in the long run when you account for attrition, hiring costs (recruiters, engineer hours spent interviewing), and ramp-up? Let's go ahead and assume that things like code quality and technical debt aren't factors here, and that the replacements for regrettable attrition would receive (and accept) offers with comparable TC.

You don't bother thinking about that. Over time you have a large enough sample size for attrition rate and you hire based off that. it doesn't matter if a few leave, a few will always leave.

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

izacus wrote: post #20
adev_ wrote: post #11

I'm gonna get enemies for that .... But let's face it: the Academia peer review process is pretty rotten. - Many organisations could not care less about whatever crap you publish as long as you publish. And if possible a lot. - Many journal's reviewers are friend of friends and you can often easily guess their names, even in double blinded review. - Many reviewers care more about you quoting their own paper than givi…

> - Many reviewers care more about you quoting their own paper than giving any relevant feedback. My supervisor once told me that I should quote a paper from a pair of reviewers (he knew exactly who was reviewing the papers) before he'd allow publishing. It was a CS paper and the reviewers were in the field of geology. A few of those fun cases were the reason why I left the academia - corporate bs doesn't come close…

Academic BS is just as bad, if not worse. You have far less options. It's way easier to just "find another job" than it is to "find another phd program" and colleges/professors abuse the shit out of it.
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