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Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine
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Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
IDF isn't involved in the vaccine rollout. And if your point was right, the lockdowns in Israel would have been much more effective and on time. The reality is the the first lockdown was removed too early, and the other lockdowns started too late with lame enforcement. Everyone who watches news in Israel can tell you that.
the involvement of the health plans in periodic drills of responses to military bioterror exercises [32] have apparently honed their capacity to work with the IDF and other organizations in emergency situations. In addition to nurses employed by the health plans, supplemental staff were recruited from the Home Front Command of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), private companies, and others. In the current vaccination…
The fact that healthcare providers could use external staff such as IDF medics only strengthen my point. Even though is just a drop in the ocean of the vaccine task force.
I haven't seen any other resource says IDF transporting the vaccines. Teva is the responsible of that and it's not an issue. Neither about anyone who is not soldier and got vaccine at IDF.
The Covid tests in Israel are nothing to be proud of.
Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s just not that many countries as rich as Israel who could be, though? UK and UAE are doing pretty well. All EU countries are subservient to the EU on this, America and Canada are geographically huge and of course America has Covid and medicine as an outsized political issue, Oz and NZ don’t need to rush it ... I guess maybe the Asian tigers are lagging a bit here?
i don’t think “rich” has much to do with it. look how much economic loss and fiscal stimulus many countries have endured, on a per capita basis. in the grand scheme of thing, relative to that, does it matter whether they pay 20$, 40$, 100$ etc per dose?
Let's say you're buying two-three treatments per person to try and make sure you end up with one that works, at 2021 Q1 delivery prices of around $40 per treatment ... $100 per capita. And let's say you're Malaysia, so that's $3.2bn in total which is 10% GDP.
If you wait until Q3, you can get a proven vaccine for $3 per person, so $90m instead, so going early is going to cost you ... $3.1bn? So that's still 10% of GDP ish. Not sure that's an easy sell.
Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine
#134Who the fuck keeps posting obviously fake news from the evil kikes occupying Palestine?
Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
The American factories are only producing for Americans. The European ones are producing for the whole world.
doesn't explain why European ones are happening in one factory
> in one factory
This is not true;
Not sure if i can find the source i read (at spiegel.de) but i will have a look and post it if i find it.)
Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine
#136The Google COVID-19 statistics for Israel show that cases and deaths are declining, but not at a faster rate than elsewhere in the world. Reported deaths lag behind sometimes for weeks and new deaths were caused by infections weeks ago, so vaccination may not have much effect on deaths, yet. But the number of positive tests should have gone down considerably with 50% of the population vaccinated. Are all these aympto…
Exactly. I don't understand why it is so unpopular to ask this obvious question? The numbers are falling all over the western world; probably because the policy response is largely same and maybe also because the virus' natural cycle is at the same stage. Given how much further Israel is, one would have expected it to stick much more out in the statistics. But it does not?
I live in Israel.
There a three big points to make:
1 - There is a delay. While now we have more and more vaccinated people, much of the current cases in the hospital got infected before that.
2 - It changes from community to community but in general we have many people that are really not "disciplined". Either they believe coronovirus does not exist or it won't get them or that god will save them or the herd immunity is high enough (when it isn't)... excuses all over
3 - The vaccinations are not evenly distributed in the population (for lack of demand, supply is there). While in some places you have 70% in other communities you have 2%. (and those with 2% act like there's no coronavirus, see point 2)
Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even if the EU had made different deals, doubling the price won't make production capacity appear out of nowhere. The UK and Israel can get vaccines in such large quantities because they are comparatively small countries. The EU might outbid those countries, but the gain of displacing them, while costing a lot, will distribute among the huge european population and thus will only shorten the wait period for individua…
There was time. I work in manufacturing, we plan factories years in advance of manufacturing start. Abandoned biotech factory cost is a drop in the ocean compared to weekly lockdown cost. Why countries failed here? If I would do such crap professionally, shelves of electronics stores would be empty.
There were/are multiple vaccine candidates with different production needs. How do you decide which factories to build? I think there are a lot of unrealistic expectations when it comes to these highly sophisticated vaccines. It's not comparable to your average electronics product.
Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine
#138The Google COVID-19 statistics for Israel show that cases and deaths are declining, but not at a faster rate than elsewhere in the world. Reported deaths lag behind sometimes for weeks and new deaths were caused by infections weeks ago, so vaccination may not have much effect on deaths, yet. But the number of positive tests should have gone down considerably with 50% of the population vaccinated. Are all these aympto…
Israel is dealing with a more aggressive strain right now (the UK mutation).
What they have found, according to our news sites at least, is that it is causing a lot more of the under 65 group to become severely ill. Some groups are more affected than others (for instance they are seeing that a relatively large amount of women who are in their late term of pregnancy are hit hard by this variant)
Making matters a bit worse is that the anti-vaccine propaganda has been quite successful in some areas, with some anti-vaxxers going as far as to book appointments only to intentionally not show up so that the vaccine is wasted.
In Hebrew, but interesting to look at if you want to follow the vaccination campaign https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general
Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine
#139Israel feels like the only nation taking the importance and urgency of vaccination seriously. Here in Europe, articles are coming out complaining that the slow vaccination could be harming the economy which, well, fucking duh. ( https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/154626/c... ) Fast rollout. Involve pharmacies. Involve the army. Distribute widely and efficiently. Prepare for months before the vaccine…
You have the European Union to blame for this, I’m afraid.
That's a populist cheap shot thing to say I'm sorry. At least back it up with some hard numbers and facts that without EU things would have been much better. Or that the involvement of the EU lead to a worse outcome.
Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
The American factories are only producing for Americans. The European ones are producing for the whole world.
Some American factories are export restricted, Pfizer has set up production in the US which is cleared for export as they didn’t took any government funding for those production lines. Israel is getting most of their doses from US factories not EU ones.
And pays more than 10x as much per dose.