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Roaring Kitty to testify on GameStop alongside hedge fund managers

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Re: Roaring Kitty to testify on GameStop alongside hedge fund managers

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but they blocked stock purchases alongside options, which makes no sense if the justification was collaterals for options

Stock purchases are settled after 2 days. If the buyer goes broke before that, the seller would be left holding to bag. To mitigate this risk you need to post collateral.

of course, but if you buy without margin the balance in your account should already be enough to cover the collateral.

Re: Roaring Kitty to testify on GameStop alongside hedge fund managers

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The sentiment on WSB from what I can tell is that they can’t coordinate which thread to sticky, let alone which stock to buy. My impression of observing it for a couple of weeks is that this is true. They aren’t capable of truly coordinating anything. Best I can tell, Roaring Kitty/Deepfuckingvalue basically had been buying more and more GME stock for like a year and every month showed screenshots to prove this sayin…

But also because of this specific crowd it seems a good chunk of them are not selling on the idea that if you buy at $300 and sell at $50, you definitely lose. So close! You're almost completely correct, but remember that a loss is considered a win on wsb, because you get to post loss porn. Can't spell trader without retard. https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/ljde34/rip/ Your comment is excellent. But I…

> People who act like they know a thing or two tend to get immediately jumped on, which I found quite refreshing. "But will a gamma squeeze happen?' is usually met with "stfu and go read a book rather than drop terms you don't understand."

Maybe this is how it was 6 million subscribers ago. Based on my (extensive) reading of WSB the past few weeks, this is no longer true.

I've read just about every WSB post (and its comments) about GME with over ~1000 upvotes. People asking when the gamma squeeze is going to happen were definitely not being told to read a book, they were being told things like "this Friday!" And people acting like they had intimate knowledge of this fact weren't exactly downvoted either...

Re: Roaring Kitty to testify on GameStop alongside hedge fund managers

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Older RoaringKitty YT spreadsheet videos (before he became all about GME and before much of anyone watched his streams) are interesting to watch for a person casually interested in finance. They are very nerdy in discussing his approach to investing, tools etc. and don't present any clear recipes. He had/probably still has a biggish public portfolio of stocks and seemed to base it on financial analysis applying the v…

> Please don't say Matt Levine, he's a (great) commentator not a practitioner. He’s a former practitioner and alum of two extremely prestigious firms: Wachtell and Goldman. He definitely knows what he’s talking about.

This is true. What I meant is that he writes about interesting stuff that happens on markets and thought experiments, and less about the practice of investing. That's because he himself does the correct, boring thing (index funds) and who wants to read about that every day. So maybe I had in mind more 'investing' than 'finance'.

Re: Roaring Kitty to testify on GameStop alongside hedge fund managers

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The elephant in the room that I don't see much discussion about is the use of options by small retail accounts.

There are piles of rules around trading in accounts But then those same guys are allowed to trade options.

An option has a 100x built in leverage.

A simple solution to this problem is to require the underlying amount of margin or cash in the account to purchase the option. ie. If you want to buy a $3 option for BBBY (costing $300) then this will take $2800 from your initial cash or margin.

Yes, this effectively puts options out of reach to small investors, but... maybe that's a good thing.

Re: Roaring Kitty to testify on GameStop alongside hedge fund managers

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It's interesting watching /r/wallstreetbets oscillate between "We did nothing wrong!" to "Well okay, some people were doing some things that were wrong, but hopefully no one will notice." https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/lj8djx/day_... (I don't personally believe that anyone did anything that should be prosecuted here, but what I believe is irrelevant to courts.) There is one thing that (in my un-humb…

We don't need a clearing house at all. A simple blockchain fixes this and provides 100% of the settlement service that this company provides.

Re: Roaring Kitty to testify on GameStop alongside hedge fund managers

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They didn't change the rules of the game. The volatility and risk changed, thus the collateral requirements changed. Note: I am not a financial professional. I'm not sure if anyone from wsb should be prosecuted; but I will say that if another hedge fund had tried to do what wsb did, it would have been clearly and unambiguously illegal market manipulation. I do think it is quite likely there were some financial profes…

Can someone please explain the situation to someone with no competence how these markets work? As far as I understand, no one is allowed to trade on stock exchanges directly. Everyone has to go through a broker. Orders has to be settled in 2 days. So there are counterparty risks involved in both steps here. Is this where there was a problem? But the retail trading platform takes zero financial risk as long as they do…

>Is this where there was a problem? But the retail trading platform takes zero financial risk as long as they don't allow their customers to trade on credit (which is an entirely different issue).

From matt levine:

>This means that the seller takes two days of credit risk to the buyer. I see a stock trading at $400 on Monday, I push the button to buy it, I buy it from you at $400. On Tuesday the stock drops to $20. On Wednesday you show up with the stock that I bought on Monday, and you ask me for my $400. I am no longer super jazzed to give it to you. I might find a reason not to pay you. The reason might be that I’m bankrupt, from buying all that stock for $400 on Monday.

>Generally if you buy a stock on Monday you still want it on Wednesday; even if you don’t, we live in a society, and you’ll probably cough up the money anyway because that’s what you’re supposed to do. But at some level of volatility things break down. If a stock is really worth $400 on Monday and $20 on Wednesday, there is a risk that a lot of the people who bought it on Monday won’t show up with cash on Wednesday. Something very bad happened to them between Monday and Wednesday; some of them might not have made it. You need to make sure the collateral is sufficient to cover that risk. The more likely it is that a stock will go from $400 to $20, or $20 to $400 for that matter, the more collateral you need.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-01-29/reddit...

Re: Roaring Kitty to testify on GameStop alongside hedge fund managers

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post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stock purchases are settled after 2 days. If the buyer goes broke before that, the seller would be left holding to bag. To mitigate this risk you need to post collateral.

of course, but if you buy without margin the balance in your account should already be enough to cover the collateral.

But it's not the brokerage's money on the line, it's DTCC's. From the perspective of the DTCC, there's no difference between a retail brokerage buying $10M of GME and lehman brothers buying $10M of GME.

Re: Roaring Kitty to testify on GameStop alongside hedge fund managers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sentiment on WSB from what I can tell is that they can’t coordinate which thread to sticky, let alone which stock to buy. My impression of observing it for a couple of weeks is that this is true. They aren’t capable of truly coordinating anything. Best I can tell, Roaring Kitty/Deepfuckingvalue basically had been buying more and more GME stock for like a year and every month showed screenshots to prove this sayin…

But also because of this specific crowd it seems a good chunk of them are not selling on the idea that if you buy at $300 and sell at $50, you definitely lose. So close! You're almost completely correct, but remember that a loss is considered a win on wsb, because you get to post loss porn. Can't spell trader without retard. https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/ljde34/rip/ Your comment is excellent. But I…

That’s a really interesting take. The way they seek the lowest common denominator of communication does seem to create a strong sense of community.

What I mean by dangerous is this: as more people flock there more capital will enter the market through that gate. And that’s a lot of money to be directed by whims of a fickle and undereducated community that tends to ride whatever is popular at the time. This time they pump and dumped GME, AMC, and BB. What happens when they do this to a different company like say Amazon? Anything good/bad?

Re: Roaring Kitty to testify on GameStop alongside hedge fund managers

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The elephant in the room that I don't see much discussion about is the use of options by small retail accounts. There are piles of rules around trading in accounts But then those same guys are allowed to trade options. An option has a 100x built in leverage. A simple solution to this problem is to require the underlying amount of margin or cash in the account to purchase the option. ie. If you want to buy a $3 option…

>Yes, this effectively puts options out of reach to small investors, but... maybe that's a good thing.

What a fantastic way to ensure that only The Right People (TM) can make money off of anything else other than trading shares.

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