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Re: Apple watch keyboard developer put off by app store scammers

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Yeah, same here, the only explanation I can think of is that the scammers have someone on the inside approving these fake apps.

The more boring reason: some review employees are bad at their job

I wonder if there are a load of failed submissions too. They'd want to minimise effort so I guess they'd have good ways to quickly rebranding an app as a new one.

Re: Apple watch keyboard developer put off by app store scammers

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1000-2000 a month is hardly “jet setting” and has nothing to do with instagram. We are talking the difference between living in a shared accommodation and maybe having a small apartment, maybe having a used car, etc. Plenty of students get bankrolled by a combination of scholarships, their parents, and loans, and have for decades. There’s nothing wrong with it (or with going the frugal route either). Edit: To live in…

As the other comment mentioned, 2k/month is a starter salary in the nordics. It is near instagram-lifestyle money in Portugal, Spain and most of the eastern EU for a young single person. A student having their own apartment (and a car??) is already a luxury 99% of the world will never experience.

Most students I knew didn’t have their own apartment and car but a few did if they had small children, had social reasons to live alone, or were married (yes some people get pregnant in high school).

They usually had a mix of parental help, loans and part time or coop program work, and scholarships. They weren’t super rich, they were from middle class Canadian families 25 years ago.

I even have a friend going to school today with a rental 5 bedroom house, as single parent raising 2 kids, and having 2 exchange students help out. Between scholarships , loans, and the students from China it covers expenses (well over €2k monthly).

I recognize that is richer than 99% of the world. It’s just my experience.

If you’re coming out of university and making £2k a month that is a bit low.

An MBA graduate makes €90k+ annually in Denmark. This is about the same in other European countries maybe +/- 10k

My point isn’t that some people have it good, it’s that €1-2k a month isn’t exactly glamorous living. The “jet setting” types (I have known a few) are getting an allowance of €3-4k+ monthly.

Re: Apple watch keyboard developer put off by app store scammers

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I think it's time for freelance developers to behave like companies. Write big tech support once, wait a week and if the issue isn't solved, contact a lawyer and let them handle it. Otherwise you will be eternally bouncing around customer support departments until you write a tweet in the hope of getting noticed by somebody afraid of a PR disaster.

> it's time for freelance developers to behave like companies

How about: it's time for freelance developers to unionise? Some organisation (self-regulating to represent only legit developers) that can put pressure on Apple, run PR, help with legal, etc. (Maybe funded by 5% of the 30% -> 15% cut savings).

Re: Apple watch keyboard developer put off by app store scammers

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Oh my god, they don't even bother implementing the app any more... It reminds me of my first App Store experience. I made an app that was somewhat successful (about 2000€ a month, enough to pay for a students living expenses). Within short time, a chinese speaking developer cloned it. They copied the icon (slighlty different color), they copied the UI, they even copied all the text in the dialog boxes. They released…

>about 2000€ a month, enough to pay for a students living expenses Just out of pure curiosity, where did you live/study that 2000 Euros are student living expenses? In my neck of the woods in central-western Europe (Austria), 1000 Euros per month is already really good money for most students and 2000 is what you make as a junior full time employee in a good tech company.

Assuming this is after taxes? As a PhD student in Germany my monthly net salary oscilated roughly between 1100€ at its lowest and 1600€ at its highest. That was enough for me not to need any roomates and even save a bit for a yearly vacation.

Re: Apple watch keyboard developer put off by app store scammers

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post #60

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Copying texts is potentially copyright infringement, though.

Then enforce your copyright. No one will do it for you.

YouTube automatically enforces copyright on behalf of the recording industry. Why shouldn’t Apple do it on behalf of their app developers?

Re: Apple watch keyboard developer put off by app store scammers

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post #38

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Some people want to create great, useful apps. That's what they want to do. They are willing to give away half of their earnings to different 3rd parties to just not deal with the bullshit. It's unlikely to be their full time job. They probably don't make that much money on it, cloning happens just when the app begins to make any reasonable profit. So dealing with all your described is just not practical. Time is val…

> App stores can't spend too many hours on each app because there's tons of them, In this specific case it seems they didn't even spend one minute, since the app is not working. If at Apple they don't have the resource to at least try to open every app (I doubt it, they are swimming in cash), they could at least find a way to decide which apps to test first, like complaints from other developers, reviews telling that…

The app was working, during review. Then once approved its behavior changed and the scam started.

This is trivial to implement and done by many developers.

Re: Apple watch keyboard developer put off by app store scammers

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post #91

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When I first published my app, they asked for a video of video fully working. Then once I had a bug and they sent me a video of it with the steps to the bug. So there are definitely people opening and testing apps

Yeah, same here, the only explanation I can think of is that the scammers have someone on the inside approving these fake apps.

Or the app talks to a remote server so it works normally during the review period, but after the app gets approved the author changes a flag on the server and the app changes to "scam mode".

Re: Apple watch keyboard developer put off by app store scammers

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post #91

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When I first published my app, they asked for a video of video fully working. Then once I had a bug and they sent me a video of it with the steps to the bug. So there are definitely people opening and testing apps

Yeah, same here, the only explanation I can think of is that the scammers have someone on the inside approving these fake apps.

No, the reviewers never see the scam screens. Once approved the scammers change a setting in the cloud and the app starts opening in scam mode.

Re: Apple watch keyboard developer put off by app store scammers

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Would be nice if the company taking 30% of my sales would offer some assistance.

At that price any copyright lawyer will be happy to deal with the paperwork. You were making 2000/month, so the infringement is taking money away. For a share of that it is easy to register the copyright and then send the proper letters. Probably this will settle out of court where apple pays your lawyer from fund the developer would have got and then removes the app. you get nothing directly from the lawyer except t…

If the infringing App is in a foreign country the scenario is much more complicated than you are suggesting.

Re: Apple watch keyboard developer put off by app store scammers

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post #122

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As the other comment mentioned, 2k/month is a starter salary in the nordics. It is near instagram-lifestyle money in Portugal, Spain and most of the eastern EU for a young single person. A student having their own apartment (and a car??) is already a luxury 99% of the world will never experience.

Most students I knew didn’t have their own apartment and car but a few did if they had small children, had social reasons to live alone, or were married (yes some people get pregnant in high school). They usually had a mix of parental help, loans and part time or coop program work, and scholarships. They weren’t super rich, they were from middle class Canadian families 25 years ago. I even have a friend going to scho…

>My point isn’t that some people have it good, it’s that €1-2k a month isn’t exactly glamorous living.

It isn't glamorous, you're right but I wasn't talking about inequality here, I was saying that very few students in Europe have 2K per month at their disposal.

>If you’re coming out of university and making £2k a month that is a bit low.

AFAIK, 2K Euros per month, after taxes, is your typical starting wage for a full time dev job in a decent company in countries like Germany. To get significantly more than 2K after taxes here as a new grad would put you in the top 10% of devs your age, definitely not the norm in the industry or in Europe.

>An MBA graduate makes €90k+ annually in Denmark.

Do you have a source for this? Because if you do then it would be best for me to give up my dev job in Germany and become an MBA in Denmark. Not /s, but quite serious.

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