I do wonder about hosting providers though, like AWS. Should a utility be deciding who gets electricity because of what happens in a business or home? I feel this is much less defensible.
Protocols, Not Platforms: A Technological Approach to Free Speech (2019)
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
>>lately it seems that "the right" remains undecided about whether or not it is acceptable to threaten the lives of politicians who refused to overturn the results of an election>> This isn't even remotely a representative sentiment of the 70+ million people that are not on the "left". >>"The left" is for democracy>> Again, I don't think we would find this accurate if data were collected. Both sides are "for democrac…
> This isn't even remotely a representative sentiment of the 70+ million people that are not on the "left". Probably not, but it’s a pretty accurate summary of their leadership. The facts are the 45 and the Republicans attempted to throw out the results of an election. You can argue that most people on the right do not agree with this, but they should really stop voting for these people then.
Do you mean that 45 Republicans voted against ratifying the electoral college votes? My understanding is that that vote is largely procedural and that the losing side voting against it as a protest is common in every election. If you take away that context it makes for a great narrative in this election (the whole histrionic overthrow theme), but context often matters.
My understanding could be wrong, though. I couldn't quickly put my hands on the historical voting record. Or maybe that's not what you're referring to.
Re: Protocols, Not Platforms: A Technological Approach to Free Speech (2019)
#133>a workable plan that enables more free speech, [...] That approach: build protocols, not platforms. To be clear, this is an approach that would bring us back to the way the internet used to be. The early internet involved many different protocols—instructions and standards that anyone could then use to build a compatible interface. As I've commented before[1][2], discussing protocols and advocating for them is a pop…
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
I remember watching a very strange segment on American news about a man who owns a mattress and pillow company who was banned from Twitter because he continuously expressed his disbelief in the legitimacy of the election result of 2020, and was organizing various events along this theme. From what I recall the 2016 election was frequently attributed to some vague accusation of hacking from Russia but the same standar…
Well there was the attempt at violent overthrow of a government... That's one difference.
Re: Protocols, Not Platforms: A Technological Approach to Free Speech (2019)
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
Technology shapes conversations and changes in the way technology works has changed the way the conversations have happened. > 10 or 15 years ago people looked at web 1.0, saw many good communities and valuable conversations and said "we need to protect free speech". Look at how the conversations happened. They were in places like forums and forums were often around topics. I belonged to many forums on topics and the…
Going unremarked in this nostalgia is that those old forums were still moderated, sometimes heavily, and the #1 tool was the ban hammer. It was not a free speech love-in. Hell, Something Awful would automatically replace your post with "yams" if you merely hit a trigger word, if you weren't ejected outright.
Moderation isn't something that's changed. Forums and modern social media both moderate. They do it to varying degrees.
Social media moderation comes in multiple forms. First they will choose which posts people see in their feed. This is a form of moderation. It's easy to have topics and even people just not show up. What shows up is based around engagement and money.
There is also moderation about content. People can be labeled or removed from visibility.
Then there is banning where banning isn't on the topic but the whole system. And the systems are tied to other things (e.g., banning on FB impacts your Oculus ownership).
Old school forums were based on topics and were different systems. They were moderated, if they were, for that system. The moderation was typically around content you posted. They didn't control the flow or order you saw it in. It was the content.
When banning came up, it was just for that form. So, if someone is banned from a jeep owners forum they are just fine interacting in a forum on web design.
I say this to note that the way the technology is developed has an impact on the way people act.
For example, these days there are people who don't want to speak out on some topics because they are fearful they will be banned or negatively impacted globally.
I'm not suggesting how the technology should be built. I'm trying to point out how the system design impacts the way people think and behave. Older systems were designed differently and had a different impact. It's worth noting these things.
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#138I am getting really sick of these articles. NO: building protocols or decentralized networks, or anything really isn't going to solve the hate-speech/censorship problem. This. Is. A. Culture. Problem. The hate-speech/censorship problem exists everywhere. If you can publish somewhere, you can publish hate/spam. And if there is hate and/or spam, you need to censor. That's it. The very fact of publishing is the problem.…
1) Each small town used to have a crazy person who didn't quite live up to societal expectations. They might even "publish" but they had a limited audience (their town) who wasn't receptive to the message. With the huge "communications platforms" we've adopted on the Internet, those crazies can now find each other quite easily and band together into a group that has a much louder voice. Please note here that my use of the word "crazies" is not a medical diagnosis but rather a description of someone whose thoughts are significantly outside the mainstream.
2) In those small towns, there was societal pressure to NOT act on every non-conforming thought that you had. If you got shunned from your town, you might not survive and/or would be actively hunted down. If everyone knew you, the town gossip mill would make sure that you were continuously under a microscope. Now that the non-conformists have banded together in a large forum, they're outside the confines of their own community.
If the goal is to quash hate speech and calls to violence, I think it's also important to note that there are some types of non-conformance that are good for society. Some is a gradual constant pressure that keeps our society ready for the day we live in. Others result in scientific advancement - most of us here consider "thinking-outside-the-box" to be a good thing. Doc Brown's town all considered him a little crazy but he was a "harmless crazy".
As you might have expected, I don't have an answer to the current problem either but I think this is a discussion we have to have. How do we put societal pressure to use on a large scale? Can we in fact have constructive arguments with these groups? If we're willing to endure censorship, where is the boundary and how do we keep it from expanding?
I for one would like community guidelines to determine where those edges are - perhaps we're "too far gone" as a society and we're just headed into another version of the dark ages.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
Technology shapes conversations and changes in the way technology works has changed the way the conversations have happened. > 10 or 15 years ago people looked at web 1.0, saw many good communities and valuable conversations and said "we need to protect free speech". Look at how the conversations happened. They were in places like forums and forums were often around topics. I belonged to many forums on topics and the…
I think the problem is that most people use mobile phones, rather then computer workstations. In the 90's everyone had a proper PC workstation. But now people have touch screens instead. You wont type long blog posts or participate in lengthy forum discussions using a touch screen. If you would put a graph with PC sales vs pads and phones showing the last 30 years you would see where it shifted from creating/consumin…
The shift in screen size is an interesting one. The technology influences the content and even the way we think. It's not a passive element.
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#140just please keep me safe as i evolve into a plant
whose leaves glitter in the void?
i think that's the meta.