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That kicks you off platforms you barely use? It's manually done. Don't hide behind "the machine did it"; it doesn't make sense.
I didn't say machines banned trump, I said evaluation of his tweets was in a context, not just what's written.
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> I am witnessing the reality that it’s never been easier and cheaper in the history of the world to reach almost everyone in the world within seconds. Only as long you don't have the wrong opinion. > It’s extremely easy to build a website, host it, have people type in a few letters and numbers, and “reach” each other. It’s never been easier, or cheaper. It’s as free market as it gets. And where do you find it? Googl…
> Only as long you don't have the wrong opinion. With "wrong opinion" do you mean inciting hatred and violence, and spreading misinformation? Because by that logic, we should also allow ISIS, Al-Qaeda et al. to do their thing. Outside of these "wrong" opinions, parent commenter is pretty accurate. I've seen and heard of people launching a website in less than a day. Let's not forget that freedom of speech does not gi…
Hey, how about you show me where Parler incited violence or where Trump did that. I don't care about buzzwords like misinformation or hatred - Twitter cares neither - but I do care about inciting violence.
In exchange I show you tweets from Khamanei - ayatollah of Iran.
> Because by that logic, we should also allow ISIS, Al-Qaeda et al. to do their thing.
ISIS/Al-Qaeda/Al-Nusra/Taliban whatever are terrorist groups; they don't only incite violence. Also putting misinformation and hatred in the same category as actual terror groups is really not wise.
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It should be noted that the US has the same double standards, but enforced by silicon valley corps themselves in union. Moral of the story: Power currupts.
It's not the same thing. As long as you don't cause violence or you're not violating the terms of service which you accepted while joining to the service, they wouldn't remove your content or block you. Of course, you can come up with one off examples of ML models screwing things up but it's not the intention while developing those models. Turkish government's intention here is getting content that criticise them rem…
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It should be noted that the US has the same double standards, but enforced by silicon valley corps themselves in union. Moral of the story: Power currupts.
It's not the same thing. As long as you don't cause violence or you're not violating the terms of service which you accepted while joining to the service, they wouldn't remove your content or block you. Of course, you can come up with one off examples of ML models screwing things up but it's not the intention while developing those models. Turkish government's intention here is getting content that criticise them rem…
Note that tech companies can change the terms of service at arbitrary points in time after you joined the service. You're of course free to reject the updated terms of service, in which case they will - wait for it - block you.
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Terms of service cannot supersede local laws. If Twitter wants to do business in a country, they need to comply. Twitter can choose to give up ad revenue and reach. Turkish government may have bad motive. However, democratic governments around the world can and should regulate social media in their countries per the local laws.
So, all social media companies must have representative in all countries that allow local govs to remove any content? Or get all of their info such as IP address? Where is the line here? If I live in US and Tweet in Turkish, if Turkish gov ask for removal of that content should it be removed? Or should companies be required to share information about this user? If I write that in another language, that local gov don'…
Maybe. How a global communication network should interact with local laws and customs is in many aspects still an open problem that we just have begun to tackle.
> If I live in US and Tweet in Turkish, if Turkish gov ask for removal of that content should it be removed? Or should companies be required to share information about this user?
Welcome in a globalized world. I hope this won't be the eventual outcome, but this is definitly not a trivial question to answer. This stuff is why we have international organisations like the UN etc.
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We just witnessed that you actually cant do any of those things (build your own platform that has real reach), there is no free market. And now with where we are, what difference does it actually make when you think about it? In both scenarios its a handful of people dictating the speech of billions, on the private side they’re not even elected. The ideal scenario is that there is a free market of social media who ca…
>We just witnessed that you actually cant do any of those things (build your own platform that has real reach), there is no free market. I am witnessing the reality that it’s never been easier and cheaper in the history of the world to reach almost everyone in the world within seconds. It’s extremely easy to build a website, host it, have people type in a few letters and numbers, and “reach” each other. It’s never be…
Then please go ahead and build a website, make a statement on it and have, say, some 2 billion people read the statement.
That's just a fraction of the world's population, so it shouldn't be too hard. I'll wait.
History for the curious reader: The law passed months ago and all major providers are given notice last year. Any social media provider, local or foreign, with at least 1M daily user activity is required to assign a legal representative in Turkey now. Internet bandwith of non-obliging companies will be reduced up to 95% incrementally. Until recently, most social networks including Facebook were silent to this request…
What is the 95% based on? Current usage? Or, just some invented number, adjusted according to Erdoğan's political requirements?
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>We just witnessed that you actually cant do any of those things (build your own platform that has real reach), there is no free market. I am witnessing the reality that it’s never been easier and cheaper in the history of the world to reach almost everyone in the world within seconds. It’s extremely easy to build a website, host it, have people type in a few letters and numbers, and “reach” each other. It’s never be…
> I am witnessing the reality that it’s never been easier and cheaper in the history of the world to reach almost everyone in the world within seconds. Then please go ahead and build a website, make a statement on it and have, say, some 2 billion people read the statement. That's just a fraction of the world's population, so it shouldn't be too hard. I'll wait.
Bht the fact is, never in history has it been easier and cheaper to be ABLE to reach 2 billion people.
You don’t need thousands of employees, printing presses, lawyers and companies in multiple countries. You don’t even need to know different language. A single person has the ability to sit at their desk and make their ideas available to everyone that has access to the internet.
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Turkey’s position is that they need to have control over the news, the press, and other communication channels, the better to strangle dissent and effect purges.
As opposed to one class controlling what news reaches the populace, e.g., Twitter suppressing Hunter Biden story from NY Post?
Not "as opposed" to that. It's the same sort of control, but much more so, and worse — and unless you actually think Turkey's control will make it better, it risks potentially being a bit of a distraction.
History for the curious reader: The law passed months ago and all major providers are given notice last year. Any social media provider, local or foreign, with at least 1M daily user activity is required to assign a legal representative in Turkey now. Internet bandwith of non-obliging companies will be reduced up to 95% incrementally. Until recently, most social networks including Facebook were silent to this request…