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Re: Response to “WireGuard: great protocol, but skip the Mac app”

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Post by tasn »

literallycancer wrote: post #126
tasn wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many apps (e.g. EteSync and WireGuard) are almost useless if they don't work for everyone within a certain group. A more extreme example is a messaging app. Will not having iOS support for a messaging app lose you 40% of your users? No, it will lose you 100%. In WireGuard's case it's maybe less obvious than messaging, but if WireGuard doesn't work on macOS, it's enough to have one Apple user in your whole organisatio…

What organization is it, that can't order an employee to use a different OS on a work computer?

Video editors, designers, and sound mixer are a few example professions where users mostly use Apple products. Most companies have designers.

Additionally, companies don't choose their whole software stack based on their VPN solution. They would just change a VPN solution if it's incompatible with what's there.

Re: Response to “WireGuard: great protocol, but skip the Mac app”

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Post by [deleted] »

enriquto wrote: post #100
toyg wrote: post #70

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> when that button is clicked by, perhaps, only 10% of the users 10%? I think FOSS developers would be extremely happy if even 1% clicked on that kind of button. I reckon the actual stat is closer to 0.01%... This is absolute scroogerism from our mobile overlords. We badly need a really-open alternative to the Google/Apple world of feudal taxes.

> We badly need a really-open alternative F-Droid is a thing

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Re: Response to “WireGuard: great protocol, but skip the Mac app”

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Post by m-p-3 »

segfaultbuserr wrote: post #103
comeonseriously wrote: post #98

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So, is does this mean for a charity they take 30% also? For example, here's United Way for Chester County (wherever that is)[0]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/united-way-of-chester-county/i... They have a donate button (last image on right). Does Apple take 30% of all that is donated? If so, I find that to be repulsive. [0] I picked Unite Way because they're a large org, not because of any other reason.

Not sure about Apple, but I know Google has special treatments for formally registered 501(c)(3) orgs and they are allowed to seek donation directly without going through Google Play's commission. Update: Apple Pay appears to have similar policies [0]. [0] https://developer.apple.com/apple-pay/nonprofits/

What if the non-profit is located outside of the US (and is considered a non-profit in its local jurisdiction)? Do they need to apply for a 501(c)(3), that is if they even can?

Re: Response to “WireGuard: great protocol, but skip the Mac app”

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Post by The_Colonel »

enriquto wrote: post #120
sdflhasjd wrote: post #118

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I fell into the same trap a while back. Bought a mac, fixed some OSS I maintained (and I do note the documentation was quite crap "Well, Apple. I made it... despite your directions"), the next OS X update killed it again, gave up, sold the mac. Felt like an enourmous waste of money and time.

> Felt like an enourmous waste of money and time. And it certainly was. But sometimes you have well-appreciated macOS users that you have not yet managed to convert out of it. In that case, instead of throwing away your money you can easily [0] install a Catalina vm inside linux or windows. With a quite small effort, you can readily check that your program compiles and runs on that shitty system. [0] https://github.c…

Is it legal? I thought you can run MacOS only on Mac hardware.

Re: Response to “WireGuard: great protocol, but skip the Mac app”

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Post by [deleted] »

segfaultbuserr wrote: post #103
comeonseriously wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, is does this mean for a charity they take 30% also? For example, here's United Way for Chester County (wherever that is)[0]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/united-way-of-chester-county/i... They have a donate button (last image on right). Does Apple take 30% of all that is donated? If so, I find that to be repulsive. [0] I picked Unite Way because they're a large org, not because of any other reason.

Not sure about Apple, but I know Google has special treatments for formally registered 501(c)(3) orgs and they are allowed to seek donation directly without going through Google Play's commission. Update: Apple Pay appears to have similar policies [0]. [0] https://developer.apple.com/apple-pay/nonprofits/

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Re: Response to “WireGuard: great protocol, but skip the Mac app”

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Post by rthomas6 »

scaladev wrote: post #116
enriquto wrote: post #100

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> We badly need a really-open alternative F-Droid is a thing

For now. When they change that optional setting they introduced recently which blocks sideloading applications outside of the official store and make it non-optional, what are we going to do? Use special Chinese Android builds with Ali store (or whatever it's called)? Boiling the frog slowly and all.

Android is open source.

Re: Response to “WireGuard: great protocol, but skip the Mac app”

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Post by tmpxgdqrcKFuG »

Couldn’t you just change the url to /about instead of /donations? Seems sort of the thing sketchy sites do to say one thing and link to another.

If I want to donate to a project I want to browse the site and learn more about rather than straight to the donation page. Seems like a money grab to take me to the donation page.

Re: Response to “WireGuard: great protocol, but skip the Mac app”

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Post by enriquto »

The_Colonel wrote: post #134
enriquto wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Felt like an enourmous waste of money and time. And it certainly was. But sometimes you have well-appreciated macOS users that you have not yet managed to convert out of it. In that case, instead of throwing away your money you can easily [0] install a Catalina vm inside linux or windows. With a quite small effort, you can readily check that your program compiles and runs on that shitty system. [0] https://github.c…

Is it legal? I thought you can run MacOS only on Mac hardware.

I don't see how such a thing might be illegal, but the current century never ceases to amaze me. In any case, it is just a (very popular) shell script that downloads a few publicly available files and runs them in a controlled environment. It does not harm anybody.

Re: Response to “WireGuard: great protocol, but skip the Mac app”

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Post by m-p-3 »

plg- wrote: post #113
tasn wrote: post #44

The iOS and macOS apps have been the biggest point of stress and frustration when building EteSync[1]. The API is buggy as hell and very limited (if at all available) and the review process is arbitrary and can cause updates to be rejected. You can never know if your workarounds will be accepted or rejected. Sometimes they can even get rejected in future app updates. The EteSync experience is subpar on Apple devices,…

> it's beyond me why would anyone willingly use an Apple product Final users don't see this mess.

Until the give the app a poor rating, when ultimately the root cause is the arbitrary reviewer's decisions making a fix harder to make than it should.

It's not the user's fault, bit it's the developer taking all the heat while it's business-as-usual for the reviewer.

Re: Response to “WireGuard: great protocol, but skip the Mac app”

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Post by segfaultbuserr »

m-p-3 wrote: post #133
segfaultbuserr wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure about Apple, but I know Google has special treatments for formally registered 501(c)(3) orgs and they are allowed to seek donation directly without going through Google Play's commission. Update: Apple Pay appears to have similar policies [0]. [0] https://developer.apple.com/apple-pay/nonprofits/

What if the non-profit is located outside of the US (and is considered a non-profit in its local jurisdiction)? Do they need to apply for a 501(c)(3), that is if they even can?

"proof of registration with the relevant country's regulatory bodies and authorities" also counts. You can read that HN discussion about donations in FOSS apps in my original comment, link [0].
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