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London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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post #89

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Heart disease isn't contagious

HIV is but we don't force carriers to self isolate

HIV isn't spread via aerosol transmission.

If it's were, it absolutely would require isolation upon infection.

Edit: downvoting me doesn't make me wrong.

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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post #81

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So like usual around this time then Dunno why you're downing me but... The data is all here https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas...

That data shows 151 free out of 1033 adult critical care beds in London in January 2019 (14.6% free)

And there's 300 extra beds now, right?

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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Ignorant US Guy here: I had to google to learn a 'Fortnight' is 14-days / 2 weeks.

??? Is this not an extremely common phrase? I'm not from the UK (or the US) but... I've never considered this phrase is not known in America?

I am American, I know what it means, I expect a majority of people in the US don't. It's not a word in common usage in American English.

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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If you ignore the dead and dying, yes, everything is just fine.

https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/currently-hospitalized... hospitalization by state: 342 per million FL 569 per million CA 444 per million PA 442 per million NY Can anyone point me to similar chart for death per million, by state, over time?

22k dead in Florida. I guess if nobody in your family is included in that figure, it's all peachy.

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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post #27

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~1700 people per day die of heart disease in America and have done so for decades. I think we should shut down the economy until we can get everyone's heart healthy.

That'd make more sense if heart disease had a significant chance of killing people breathing the same air as you.

Obviously their chance of dying from breathing the same air as me isn't completely divorced from whether they're able to put down a donut.

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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post #33

And yet we still have idiots here in the UK saying things ranging from: * coronavirus is invented as a government power grab * the government locking down is a deliberate ploy to kill small businesses * the government should just let this run its course, it’s Just A Flu TM * hospitals are actually empty (the “proof” being people recording empty waiting rooms in outpatient departments on bank holiday weekends) * coron…

> the government should just let this run its course Isn't it just an opinion? I personally think that way. Why wouldn't I be allowed to think that?

You're allowed to think any way you want. And you're even allowed to explain that you do think that and why. But most people will probably think that's plainly a bad plan and point out that lots of people will die because of it, so be prepared to feel embarrassed often.

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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post #121
post #80

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> the government should just let this run its course Isn't it just an opinion? I personally think that way. Why wouldn't I be allowed to think that?

You’re allowed to think it, it’s just patently idiotic. Our hospitals would be overwhelmed, the morality rate would skyrocket amongst COVID and non-COVID patients alike.

So now the number of free icu beds in hospital and number of death are the only kpi we look at to make decisions?

It is crazy how people opinion like mine is fully ignored in Europe. today we tolerate flu deaths so that people can live freely, why shouldn't we tolerate covid deaths to live freely?

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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post #94

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You’re totally allowed to have that opinion and other people are totally allowed to think it’s idiotic, unless I’m missing you’re point?

Well then why do some people think it is idiotic?

Because it would result in hundreds of thousands dying, complete overcapacity of hospitals increasing the death rate of covid and all other injuries and illnesses, and cause even more damage to the economy as a result than lockdown

Re: London will be overwhelmed by Covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS briefing

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post #54
post #33

And yet we still have idiots here in the UK saying things ranging from: * coronavirus is invented as a government power grab * the government locking down is a deliberate ploy to kill small businesses * the government should just let this run its course, it’s Just A Flu TM * hospitals are actually empty (the “proof” being people recording empty waiting rooms in outpatient departments on bank holiday weekends) * coron…

A colleague made the point that we need more pictures of overflowing morgues and ICUs and (like is happening in LA) people waiting in an ambulance for 7-8 hours (and some of those people dying because of it). Just like the US government banned (discouraged?) pictures of caskets coming back from war. These images need to be on the news and on news websites 24/7.

Those images were on the news constantly when New York was having trouble 8 months ago. That doesn't seem to have changed much behavior.
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