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Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by bdcravens »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #86
zepto wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about? The fact they have factories in china?

https://nlpc.org/2020/12/30/report-uighur-slaves-forced-to-w...

Apple and many others:

"In all, ASPI’s research has identified 82 foreign and Chinese companies potentially directly or indirectly benefiting from the use of Uyghur workers outside Xinjiang through abusive labour transfer programs as recently as 2019: Abercrombie & Fitch, Acer, Adidas, Alstom, Amazon, Apple, ASUS, BAIC Motor, Bestway, BMW, Bombardier, Bosch, BYD, Calvin Klein, Candy, Carter’s, Cerruti 1881, Changan Automobile, Cisco, CRRC, Dell, Electrolux, Fila, Founder Group, GAC Group (automobiles), Gap, Geely Auto, General Motors, Google, Goertek, H&M, Haier, Hart Schaffner Marx, Hisense, Hitachi, HP, HTC, Huawei, iFlyTek, Jack & Jones, Jaguar, Japan Display Inc., L.L.Bean, Lacoste, Land Rover, Lenovo, LG, Li-Ning, Mayor, Meizu, Mercedes-Benz, MG, Microsoft, Mitsubishi, Mitsumi, Nike, Nintendo, Nokia, Oculus, Oppo, Panasonic, Polo Ralph Lauren, Puma, SAIC Motor, Samsung, SGMW, Sharp, Siemens, Skechers, Sony, TDK, Tommy Hilfiger, Toshiba, Tsinghua Tongfang, Uniqlo, Victoria’s Secret, Vivo, Volkswagen, Xiaomi, Zara, Zegna, ZTE."

https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by throwaway201103 »

fabatka wrote: post #11
trestenhortz wrote: post #6

Incredibly insensitive product naming. I’m guessing the software authors don’t have children and don’t have multiple friends and family who’s lives have been destroyed by meth. Instead it’s just a bro having cool fun with words “hey keeps your computer awake! Get it? Ha! So clever!”

Amphetamine and metamphetamine (meth) are two different things.

In the context of illegal/recreational usage, not really. Chemically they are similar, and affect the body in pretty much an identical way. Methamphetamine metabolizes to amphetamine. Methamphetamine has more potent effects for the same dose. And of course street meth is a crap-shoot.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by crististm »

arghwhat wrote: post #7

Amphetamine isn't exactly an innocent name. Of all the app takedowns that occur, this one seems pretty normal and actionable. It's important to remember that reviews are superficial, and passing review is not at all the same as being compliant with the terms. Compliance is the burden of the submitter. Now, that app store monopoly makes terms unfair and arbitrary is another discussion entirely.

I agree with most (actually all) of your conclusions but...

They start with the premise of culpability of a name. Which _is_ the problem in the first place.

That culpability was not demonstrated but was simply declared by remote association. The same arbitrary judgement can be made for an innumerable list of other words without making that judgement neither correct nor just.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by systemvoltage »

piker wrote: post #3

Seems pretty clear.

I think finding molecular differences of amphetamine is missing the point. There is a lot of knee jerk reactions I see here. This is primarily an image thing for Apple.

Personally, I think this is a bad name for an app of this sorts. Caffeine is good one, amphetamine is borderline.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by zepto »

dekhn wrote: post #89
zepto wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amphetamine is a general term as well as a proper noun. Both are valid and widely accepted meanings. Meth is amphetamine.

This is simply technically incorrect as many people are pointing out to you. There is a named molecule called "amphetamine" short for alpha-methylphenethylamine, it has a unique IUPAC name ((RS)-1-phenylpropan-2-amine). Methamphetamine is a derivative in the class of amphetamines (amphetamines being the family that was originally established by amphetamine). I know that's confusing. But, it has its own chemical struc…

My only argument is that it’s reasonable for the GP to say that meth is amphetamine, even if it’s grammatically more correct to say an amphetamine.

It’s basically bullshit to dismiss what they were saying on the basis of this pedantry.

Amphetamine is a structural class.

It’s also clearly true that people not versed in chemistry associate meth with amphetamine.

What’s ‘technically’ correct to a chemist really isn’t relevant to this debate.

We wouldn’t generally argue that it’s incorrect to say that champagne is wine, even though it’s more technically accurate to say that champagne is a wine.

In the case of amphetamine, we feel the need to make the distinction more strongly because the word has two meanings.

This is only true for those of use who are aware of the presence of both meanings.

Those who think of amphetamine as a class and don’t distinguish it from the substance are not wrong. They are just less precise.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by RedditKon »

mmaunder wrote: post #23

You’re angry. I’ve felt this in a trademark lawsuit. You think the world should get behind you and change the corrupt system. My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. They kind of have a point which doesn’t make them right, but they hold all the cards and you will lose this one and regret the wasted bandwidth.

Exactly. I use something identical called "caffeine". Just rebrand to Jolt and be done with it.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by hshshs2 »

sschueller wrote: post #78
mmaunder wrote: post #23

You’re angry. I’ve felt this in a trademark lawsuit. You think the world should get behind you and change the corrupt system. My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. They kind of have a point which doesn’t make them right, but they hold all the cards and you will lose this one and regret the wasted bandwidth.

No, how will this ever fix a corrupt system if you play by their rules? This is why it keeps getting worse and worse. People just comply!

They’re a $2 trillion dollar company, unless you have an incredibly strong case (this isn’t one) then you will lose a war of attrition every time... even sometimes if you do have a strong case. Choose your battles wisely, live to fight another day, etc...

Pound for pound you’d likely be better off putting your energy into policy. The scale is still tilted there, but there is some traction behind fairer app marketplaces.

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