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Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by kingofpandora »

planetis wrote: post #107
kingofpandora wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Different countries ... with a common heritage.

Maybe during history lessons you preferred a good beauty sleep instead of paying attention to the class :)

If you don't see a lot of overlap between Greek and Turkish culture ... not sure what to say.

Over a million "Greeks" were deported to Greece in the 1920s, despite many speaking only Turkish and many "Turks" were sent back the other way. Not to mention that most of those inhabiting Turkey today - and identifying as Turks - have an awful lot of non-Turkish ancestry. It's not only Greek of course (plenty of Armenian, Kurdish, Arab, Albanian, Circassian, Bulgarian, etc), but Greeks and Greek culture has had a massive imprint on modern Turkey - and Turks have also had an impact on modern Greek culture.

Of course neither side is particularly happy to admit it, but it's very much there.

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Post by [deleted] »

ethbr0 wrote: post #95
dustysilicon wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Think about republican voters and how fanatic they have become under Trump's rule in mere four years. Fanatics? Is that how you refer to different political views? If so, we are all fanatics.

(Keeping this short, as OT) There's a big difference between different political views & refusing to accept the results of a US election and peddling conspiracy theories.

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Post by reggieband »

disown wrote: post #28
planetis wrote: post #10

After spending the last year reading about constant warmongering and provocations against my country, with military units on combat alert even on holidays, I only have to say democracy should be reinstated in Turkey and I hope the circumstances can not detriment the friendship and common heritage of Turkish and Greek people.

> common heritage of Turkish and Greek people. What common heritage are you speaking of? Edit: Who knew such benign question would trigger so many. I guess foreigners have a different understanding of what heritage means. Heritage doesn't mean being conquered and/or exchanging words, food, building, etc. Heritage implies "descent". Just because you eat sushi doesn't mean you and a japanese person have a common herita…

I was very lucky enough to travel through Turkey. The South Western coast of Turkey, from Antalya to Bodrum, is some of the most beautiful Mediterranean sea coasts in the world. Seriously, take a look at pictures from Fethiye or Kas for example.

I'm not expert on the definition of the word "heritage" but my own impression is these countries share more than just a land border and adjacency to the Aegean sea. The people look similar, dress similar, eat extremely similar food, have similar drinks (raki vs. ouzo), live in similar houses. For much of the time I was in that area of Turkey I remember thinking it felt more like Greece than Greece did!

This should be no surprise (although it was to me). They have been neighbours for millennia and their cultures have mixed and intertwined with each other longer than the USA has existed. Much of the land between them has switched hands back-and-forth between various empires dating back to Alexander the Great (and beyond).

Comparatively, the native peoples of the Americas were culturally isolated for that same length of time until ~500 years ago when Europeans with a completely distinct culture showed up in ships for the first sustained contacts. There is almost no reasonable comparison to be made between the two circumstances.

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Post by Bayart »

disown wrote: post #28
planetis wrote: post #10

After spending the last year reading about constant warmongering and provocations against my country, with military units on combat alert even on holidays, I only have to say democracy should be reinstated in Turkey and I hope the circumstances can not detriment the friendship and common heritage of Turkish and Greek people.

> common heritage of Turkish and Greek people. What common heritage are you speaking of? Edit: Who knew such benign question would trigger so many. I guess foreigners have a different understanding of what heritage means. Heritage doesn't mean being conquered and/or exchanging words, food, building, etc. Heritage implies "descent". Just because you eat sushi doesn't mean you and a japanese person have a common herita…

>Heritage implies "descent"

You might have noticed that Turks hardly look Central Asian.

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Post by selimthegrim »

imraj96 wrote: post #123
Aduket wrote: post #65

Atheist turk here, this youtube channel is the largest social media channel of gulen religious sect/terror group, which tried to topple erdogan in 2016. Despite hating Erdogan to my guts, i can assure you that this gulenist movement/terror group is a bigger threat to secularism and democracy in turkey and world alike.

Genuinely curious to know why you think the gulen movement is a bigger threat to secularism & democracy in Turkey & the world. From my findings, they start & fund secular schools(elementary to university), fund & organize interfaith dialogues, fund social programmes etc. I've skimmed a couple of books written by Fetullah gulen and what he preaches peace, love and cooperation amongst all. Of course, every group has it…

Gulen’s group used to give answers for civil service exams to his followers on the condition that once they were inside they were owned body and soul

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Post by selimthegrim »

jessaustin wrote: post #79
cblconfederate wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- He does the US's bidding in the region , countering russia in Syria, Libya, and Nagorno-karabakh without the US having to take blame for it - He does Germany's bidding by countering French interventionism in Libya / eastmed without Germany having to take blame for it

...Nagorno-karabakh... That's another recent event that went totally uncovered by USA news media firms. They thought some confused Americans might object to military aid that encourages Muslims to attack Christians.

Uh, didn’t Israel sell weapons to the Azeris because they buy their oil? Pretty sure there’s realpolitik going on

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Post by kyriakos »

pjc50 wrote: post #81
jetrink wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to believe the process is still going on. I remember on the first day of a class in 2004, the instructor had everyone introduce ourselves. One of the students started with, "Hi, I'm from Turkey. You have probably heard about my country from our lame attempts to join the EU..."

I don't think anyone wants to definitively close the door, because then a whole load of ugly follow-on questions like Cyprus get worse.

Cyprus has really nothing to do with this. If accession talks fail Republic of Cyprus is still the recognised government of the whole island but currently has no control over the the occupied area. Just like it was when Cyprus was accepted in EU. Turkish Cypriots already have EU citizenship via Republic of Cyprus, the only isolated population is the illegal Turkish settlers in North Cyprus.

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Post by mcsofake »

imraj96 wrote: post #123
Aduket wrote: post #65

Atheist turk here, this youtube channel is the largest social media channel of gulen religious sect/terror group, which tried to topple erdogan in 2016. Despite hating Erdogan to my guts, i can assure you that this gulenist movement/terror group is a bigger threat to secularism and democracy in turkey and world alike.

Genuinely curious to know why you think the gulen movement is a bigger threat to secularism & democracy in Turkey & the world. From my findings, they start & fund secular schools(elementary to university), fund & organize interfaith dialogues, fund social programmes etc. I've skimmed a couple of books written by Fetullah gulen and what he preaches peace, love and cooperation amongst all. Of course, every group has it…

> I've skimmed a couple of books written by Fetullah gulen and what he preaches peace, love and cooperation amongst all.

He's a lovely fellow indeed: https://twitter.com/kyleworton/status/1086084532393136128

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