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Re: Starship / Super Heavy

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Got lost in a rabbit hole after reading this news. Most incredible thing to me was that due to the reusability the per launch costs may end up being $2M (vs $185 million in 1969–1971 dollars - $1.23 billion in 2019 value for the Saturn V).

Where did you get that $2M number from?

Fuel costs per launch will be about $500K, the remaining costs are dependent upon how many times both stages can be reused, maintenance costs, and launch/pad costs.

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> The fully integrated Starship/Super Heavy launch vehicle will be approximately 400 feet tall and 30 feet in diameter. For reference, the Saturn V rocket from the Apollo program was 363 feet tall. It was 33 ft wide at the first stage, while Starship is 30 ft wide all the way to the top. It's just massive. And it's fully reusable. What a game changer.

I've walked along the length of the rocket at NASA in Houston. It's massive and to think it took all that power to get that tiny capsule to the moon with a few men. Pretty amazing... The Starship is designed to carry 100 people. SpaceX will be able to send more people to the moon in one mission than all the moon landings ever sent. Wow...

I believe it requires a refuel in orbit to get to the moon. So, two missions, but still super impressive.

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Nice use of "factoid". Most people use this world incorrectly.

If most people are using a word to mean something different, doesn't that mean the meaning of the word has changed?

Descriptivists may say yes, but that doesn’t mean people won’t try to stop the meaning drifting to prevent the past becoming inaccessible.

Re: Starship / Super Heavy

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The Saturn V can carry those 3 people way further, though.

> The Saturn V can carry those 3 people way further, though. Saturn V: 3 people to the Moon; Starship: 100 people to Mars (unproven, of course). Mars is a little further than the Moon. Granted, that's with in-orbit refueling.

The Saturn V would be three people to the moon and back. Starship is 100 people more or less around GTO. Multiple starships are needed to go to Mars. It's a pretty ridiculous comparison.

Re: Starship / Super Heavy

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The Saturn V can carry those 3 people way further, though.

Nope, cause it didn’t have a second stage they could refuel in orbit, a reusable second stage they could use as a tanker, or a reusable first stage that provides the cadence to do in orbit refueling. Because of in-orbit refueling each Starship will land over ten times the payload on Mars as each Apollo mission landed on the moon.

Still, that is multiple Starships.

Also, the Saturn V came back. That requires quite a bit more delta v. Actually, going to the moon and back is not that far off a one way trip to Mars.

Re: Starship / Super Heavy

#138

An interesting thing here is SpaceX are building TWO launchpads. Which will definitely help prevent delays if an when there is an AMOS-6 [1] or Orb-3 [2] type explosion that destroys the launchpad. It may also help for rapidly testing orbital refueling in 2022, though the plan is to do orbital refueling with 1 launch pad, 1 Super Heavy and 2 Starships (1 standard, 1 refueler) with 1 hour turnaround times between laun…

SN4 might be a better parallel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIh4aLX3cZQ

Re: Starship / Super Heavy

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Salt water is also corrosive.

Much of Texas has brackish water when pumped from wells. It’s the reason a lot of desal tech originated there, FL and CA.

Kind of a fun bit of trivia I picked up working at a geoscience company: Those brackish wells can be very rich in lithium, especially in South Texas.

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I prefer Mercury.

Ironically Mercury is definitely more inhabitable than Venus.

Due to very thick atmosphere, giant airships should be doable on Venus. You'd get atmospheric radiation shielding, same pressure as on Earth (although obviously unbreathable air), ample sunlight and plenty of materials (=carbon and oxygen) in the form of Venusian atmospheric gasses.

Although hydrogen would be hard to come by, the atmospheric concentration is very low. That said, I doubt there's that much hydrogen on Mercury either.

So who knows, maybe Venus is a better place for a human base than Mercury?

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