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How neutering dogs became the norm

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Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Why isn’t a vasectomy an option for dogs?

Its more complicated (fiddly fine work) and you have all the drawbacks of the uncut male without the plus possibility of breeding from him if you wanted.

The equivalent of tying tubes for female dogs is possible; I gather. Again there's little point although the difference in doing is less. I seem to recall that dogs tend to regain fertility after a couple years too.

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I'll be honest, I'm not really a pet person and I'm curious about the issue. I think I understand the argument that animal rights activists make for spaying and neutering that it controls the population by making sure each pet has someone to care for it, reducing euthanasia rate and reducing strays that might attack people or other pets. The article argues this as well and explains that there's more to it than societ…

Neutering a male dog can increase the risk of certain health conditions, including bone cancer, obesity, and hypothyroidism [0]. Not neutering is also associated with certain health risks as well. So it's not clear cut without diving into the research. But this is just to say there are health-related arguments to be made for not neutering a dog. 'Cruel' may be a stretch, as I know the procedure is safe, apart from so…

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Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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I'll be honest, I'm not really a pet person and I'm curious about the issue. I think I understand the argument that animal rights activists make for spaying and neutering that it controls the population by making sure each pet has someone to care for it, reducing euthanasia rate and reducing strays that might attack people or other pets. The article argues this as well and explains that there's more to it than societ…

Neutering a male dog can increase the risk of certain health conditions, including bone cancer, obesity, and hypothyroidism [0]. Not neutering is also associated with certain health risks as well. So it's not clear cut without diving into the research. But this is just to say there are health-related arguments to be made for not neutering a dog. 'Cruel' may be a stretch, as I know the procedure is safe, apart from so…

I think it can be an unnecessary procedure. Any procedure, no matter how minor carries risks. If people were responsible pet owners it would largely not be needed.

Also, some vets find the reduction in aggression claims somewhat overstated if not dubious. It can prevent sexual hyperness and bad behavior in some dogs where that is an issue, but again the benefits are often overstated.

The only real tangible and pragmatic arguement for is it prevents animal shelters from being full of even more neglected animals and animals being put down because they have no where to go. Again, if people were responsible...

From an ethical / moral standpoint you could get into the concept of personhood and partial personhood (we ascribe a certain level of personhood to our pets). The arguement being: If the procedure would be unethical to do to a child why would it be ethical to do that same procedure to an animal?

The answer is we, society, do not assign full personhood to pets. And so the ethics of how we treat them is different.

Though this has changed rapidly over the last 50 years or so and the relative amount of personhood we ascribe to animals has increased significantly. I suspect it will continue to evolve.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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pit bulls are dangerous dogs, unlike most other breeds. source: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pitbull+attack Edit: https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019... 69% of fatalities due to dog bites were caused by the same breed.

“Pit bull” isn’t even a coherent concept; it a loose term for a constellation of terrier and bulldog breeds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

And most of those types of dogs are not good family dogs. Dog aggression, resource guarding, strength, high pain tolerance, bred to fight literal bulls, etc.

I can share some outcomes of their mauling on little children and the elderly if you would like.

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Define a “pit bull”. Go right ahead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

One of the reasons “Pit Bulls” are attributed for so many attacks is because it is not a breed and on police reports when it is a mixed breed that looks vaguely like a terrier breed they assign “pitbull” because it is not like they are going to do a DNA test to determine breed. It is also true that many people who want a tough looking “pitbull” are terrible owners who want their dog to attack and to be aggressive as…

On the other hand there are plenty of examples of pitbull dogs killing or mauling the family's cat, dog, child, or grandparent completely randomly with no prior warning.

I didn't really know much about pits or have any opinion until one of my buddies adopted one and it killed his two cats with him trying to pry its mouth open. I started to look into the issue after that.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019... Says Pit Bulls are responsible for 69% of the fatalities (not just of all attacks).

This is a terrible source. Please see. https://adbadog.com/truth-behind-dogsbite-org/ Personally I prefer the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association and the American Dog Breeders Association to a single biased source that is basically the qanon of breed specific legislation. The only reason that I have slightly more respect for dogsbite is at least dogs actually have teeth whereas the pizza place in f…

You link a pitbull lobbying group as defense?

There are plenty of pit bull lobbies. Most of them come from no-kill background because pitbulls are the most common dogs in shelters.

There is no national register for dog bites. You can see how coronavirus tracking goes to show how much of a feat that would be. All you can do is track evidence in newspapers and in online media. Interview ER docs, plastic surgeons, etc.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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I'm surprised there's no mention of Bob Barker. In 1970, less than 10 percent of licensed dogs were spay or neutered. Today, about 80 percent are. From 1979, everyday, Bob would end his show with this message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTpolOR0kQo It's where I learned about the issue...

Kind of crazy to think that a game show host may have caused hundreds of millions of canine gonads being removed. What an odd legacy to have.

No less odd than the antarctic ramming-vessel bearing his name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MY_Bob_Barker

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Are there any places where dogs are not allowed as pets?

It's very common in NYC, at least among properties that target lower/lower-middle class incomes. Which is a real shame, honestly, because cats are almost always ok, and they're much more likely to make huge messes and actually damage finishes by clawing.

at least cats are going to shit on the sidewalk or bark at all hours of the day. I'd be happier with a total pet ban though.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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The author is claiming that dogs are rare in shelters now and that institutions are actively buying them from the same puppy mills that are being detracted. I can’t see that to be true- look at villa lobos rescue with over 130 pit bulls, and they have a nationwide show trying to adopt out their dogs. Hell my local aspca has 445 dogs looking for a new home within 25 miles of my zip code.

pit bulls are dangerous dogs, unlike most other breeds. source: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pitbull+attack Edit: https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019... 69% of fatalities due to dog bites were caused by the same breed.

You'll never convince the pit bull apologists. Polite society has decided that they're not going to hear about it because it goes against their intuition that no dogs are 'bad.'

I have some friends that have pit bulls. They never attacked a person, but they did attempt to kill a goat. I can't think of another type of dog that would maul livestock unprovoked with no history of aggression. They are just naturally aggressive, and anyone that says otherwise is a shill or ignorant.

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Interesting the behaviour mellowed after the fact. When we did it for our rabbit - because he'd already become a little grumpy and aggressive bundle of hate - the vet said it's probably too late to revert the changes but at least he won't hump our feet. I'd assumed it's the same for dogs.

What age was your rabbit? I heard similar things about my ex's rabbit, but he was at least 6 or 7 and much too far gone by that point.

Quite young still but I can't remember exactly. Definitely under 2 years and probably under 1, they mature quickly. He pretty much hates me now (male) but likes my wife, even though I feed him every day.
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