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Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by bonoboTP » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 3:32 PM UTC

FeepingCreature wrote: post #38

ichbinwiederda wrote: post #5

There was absolutely no need to include the stupid fake feminist take. Plenty of women and plenty of feminists also oppose porn. The problem with onlyfans and chaturbate and others is that there are a lot of serious criminal activities that the creators might be engaged in. Anything from the creator stating they are over age when they are a minor, to full blown sex slavery where girls are held and forced to perform a…

Indeed, this notion of "men are anti-porn" seems very antithetical to my lived experience.

"Men" as such are never anti- or pro- anything.

There's endless lines of division among "men". Some men want to keep the "flow" of sex under control and don't like when sex is "handed out" too easily to men they don't see as worthy.

Some other men like the deal if they operate the business like a pimp or porn producer.

Consumer men may like it because they feel they can't satisfy their urges in other ways or they don't feel like the "real deal" is worth the effort and risk in comparison to these substitutes.

There are also men who just cheer on the empowered self-actualizing women to do what they desire to express their sexuality freely.

"Men" includes Rocco Siffredi, your local pastor, the loser nerdy virgin, the strict traditional father figure, a Christian wait-until-marriage boy, the nofap evangelist, etc. etc.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by fullshark » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 3:32 PM UTC

jejejfjf wrote: post #116

Nobody is talking about the users's perspective. If you pay $20 for nude photos, there is something seriously wrong with you. Either you crave some kind of female connection, or have some porn addiction, or something. How can we fairly and properly treat an industry which necessarily relies on abuse, on either the producer side or the consumer side?

It's not a porn addiction I think so much as craving the woman's attention and the perception of intimacy with them. It's a terrible deal for the consumer but it's also the oldest profession transferred to the digital age.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by ben_w » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 3:32 PM UTC

adwn wrote: post #22

lostgame wrote: post #4

As an asexual person, I wish this wasn’t the case, and I find it extremely triggering how hard it is to completely avoid adult content online. It certainly has had a negative affect on my mental health. I also find it ridiculous how services like PornHub and OnlyFans are featuring a lot of videos which clearly fetishizes borderline (okay, obvious) pedophilia, and, since its profitable, only pull it down when they mig…

> As an asexual person, I wish this wasn’t the case, and I find it extremely triggering how hard it is to completely avoid adult content online. By "extremely triggering", I assume you mean "somewhat annoying"? Why does it annoy you that "adult content" is difficult to avoid completely? Should a homosexual person be annoyed (or "triggered") that depictions of heterosexual behavior can't be avoided completely? Or vice…

I’m not @lostgame and I’m not ace, but I can easily imagine that a constant barrage of stuff that you’re not into could be triggering/empathise with someone saying that it troubles them.

For example, and I know this is a “me” problem rather than something objective in the world: I find BDSM quite repellent because (a) I cannot at a glance tell if the image presented is roleplay or actual assault, and (b) because I am unable to empathise with the desire to see others in pain.

((b) means I also have a problem with the existence of the Saw franchise, let alone what felt like endless and unavoidable real-world advertising for it).

In the case of porn: orgasm-noises in porn are often (I won’t claim percentages, but often) somewhat similar to mild-to-medium pain noises, so I can easily believe that’s upsetting especially for someone who has never heard the real life version.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by gbrown » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 3:32 PM UTC

bonoboTP wrote: post #108

"Everything in life is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power." I think the debate is not really about porn, but people's sense of justice, cheating, deserving things or not etc. Some feel like porn gives unearned satisfaction to young men, a virtual substitute they don't have to work for. The bitter other side will say, no shit, I won't slave away to get screwed over, it's much more straightforward business to co…

No offense, but your take on social attitudes about porn is really strange and pretty misogynistic.

> “ Some feel like porn gives unearned satisfaction to young men, a virtual substitute they don't have to work for.”

What? Maybe extremist groups like the proud boys, but I’ve literally never heard this objection. People tend to worry more about socialization and the harmful psychological effects porn can have on people.

> “ Others may feel camgirls are collecting undeserved money, they don't do actual noble valuable work, just cash in based on their genetics and immorality.”

Again, thats an extremist misogynistic viewpoint. The real objections I’ve heard concern the exploitation of the industry and the lack of protections for workers.

All the worldviews you describe are hyper-conservative, and don’t at all describe society as a whole.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by watwut » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 3:34 PM UTC

vsareto wrote: post #57

zthrowaway wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only investment being that they're selling their body for money, and generating a negative presence online that doesn't help their future career aspirations. I don't think this is a good thing to encourage young people to do.

There's way more work that goes into making and maintaining that presence than just showing up with a body or personality. A lot is marketing, but it's not like traditional marketing you'd be taught at a university. They're figuring a lot of it out by trial and error, which is some amount of risk of getting it wrong. And popularity can swing quickly and dramatically so you can get fired by the internet mobs (more ris…

Read about discrimination and hostility former sex workers face. It is very real and can be pretty ugly.

Many employers won't hire you and will fire you if they find out - regardless how great worker you at. Plenty of prospective partners take issue with it or can't deal with feelings of resentment, jealousy etc.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by qchris » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 3:34 PM UTC

jejejfjf wrote: post #124

corobo wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone has seriously made a business out of nerds talking about their penises? That's amazing.

Someone made a business helping people escape their porn addiction. It's no different than helping heroin addicts by "talking about their needles." You can't just deconstruct everything.

Literally continued scrolling through the thread, and found this comment after a your other one dismissing being an OnlyFans creator as not being a real job. I don't disagree with your point here, but the cognitive dissonance is deafening.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by tpmx » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 3:36 PM UTC

navdb wrote: post #14

For those looking to escape porn: https://nofap.com/

An interesting comment/backgrounder on that meme:

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/coomer...

(The article is more interesting than the stereotypical headline suggests.)

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by humanrebar » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 3:37 PM UTC

est31 wrote: post #91

fullshark wrote: post #44

This guy seems to be operating on the assumption that MEN are to blame for pornography's status as a social pariah. As if mothers everywhere would be proud of their daughters producing pornography on Onlyfans if only their husbands weren't in their ear shaming them.

Those same mothers would likely be very glad if their daughter got a man with a well paying job, lots of money, and a big house. They think more in terms of their generation, how women's access to status worked back when they were young. Onlyfans opens a different way for attractive women to attain wealth. Much safer, and with way less pain involved than going through a marriage that was done for the money instead of…

There are millennials with teenage daughters now. Older mothers with teenages daughters grew up watching Madonna videos on MTV. I'll need more explanation to understand the generational gap you're describing.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by mierz00 » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 3:40 PM UTC

PrefixKitten wrote: post #70

chii wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> viable market for OnlyFans type content was such a disheartening thing to learn. why is that? Somebody else enjoying content they paid for has nothing to do with you - it's easy to avoid and easy to not be involved.

Because it demonstrated just how out of reach an actual relationship with someone is for me. >Somebody else enjoying content they paid for has nothing to do with you - it's easy to avoid and easy to not be involved. I'd argue that platforms such as these have an effect on gender dynamics in society as a whole.

Sites like OnlyFans have nothing to do with you or relationships in general. The vast majority of people don't go on those types of sites.

I assure you, the thing that is stopping you from being in a relationship isn't Only fans. I'd recommend trying to find ways to build up yourself confidence.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by est31 » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 3:40 PM UTC

jejejfjf wrote: post #103

est31 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those same mothers would likely be very glad if their daughter got a man with a well paying job, lots of money, and a big house. They think more in terms of their generation, how women's access to status worked back when they were young. Onlyfans opens a different way for attractive women to attain wealth. Much safer, and with way less pain involved than going through a marriage that was done for the money instead of…

Or, you know, they could go get a real job. I heard lots of women are doing that these days and they're being pretty successful. I'm sure those same mothers would be equally glad if they got a proper high-paying job.

Reading about sums like 100k per month makes it sound like a real job to me... Note that I'm only talking about that subset of girls on Onlyfans who make relevant sums of income, not the large number who doesn't.

Ultimately everyone sells some part of themselves.