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Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by ykl » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 5:10 AM UTC

Macha wrote: post #130

Scarbutt wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still... $450 for the CPU only vs a $999 laptop, for most use cases the apple's MBA offers much more value and will have slower depreciation.

CPU: $450 (5800x) GPU: $150 (1650 super) Storage: $60 (samsung 970 evo 250gb) PSU: $90 (silverstone sfx 500w 80 plus gold - there's probably cheaper options but most PSUs seem sold out on amazon) RAM: $70 (16gb 3200mhz CL16, gskill or team group) Case: $70 (Silverstone tek) Motherboard: $120 (asrock b550-m itx) There's your $1000 mac killer. I wouldn't call it a sensible build, but it should outperform the mac across…

The parent post appears to be discussing a MacBook Air though. The specified machine doesn’t do much good for someone looking for a laptop; I’d be very surprised if the average customer compares a MacBook Air type device with a PC desktop when shopping for a new computer.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by viraptor » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 5:11 AM UTC

reader_mode wrote: post #114

viraptor wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some are making a "desktop with cheaper terminal laptop -vs- pro laptop" choice though. And in that case the comparison may matter.

Thing is M1 air is cheap for the quality/performance so you could probably get both.

Sure, but this article helps answering "do I need both".

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by PaulBGD_ » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 5:11 AM UTC

iseanstevens wrote: post #97

I come away from this way more impressed by the M1 than I was going in. It's a comparison of a ~$700 stock, low end full computer Vs. $700 for high end CPU only. And the high end CPU has overclocking tweaks enabled, and overclocked memory. The M1 generally keeps up quite well, which blows my mind. The power use difference Is pretty big as well. Yeah, it would be great if Apple was totally open source. But this is goi…

Well, $700 for the CPU + mobo and maybe a cooler. But it really is impressive still.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by lliamander » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 5:13 AM UTC

rafaelturk wrote: post #26

I'm still impressed how fast Intel was overtaken by AMD and now Apple. Benchmarks don't even bother including Intel.

Tiger Lake has pretty impressive single-core and GPU performance. Tiger Lake H also promises to be very interesting.

Honestly, 2021 is going to be a good year for laptops and mini-pcs. I don't think any of the chip manufacturers have objectively bad silicon for those form factors anymore.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by stickyricky » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 5:13 AM UTC

Macha wrote: post #130

Scarbutt wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still... $450 for the CPU only vs a $999 laptop, for most use cases the apple's MBA offers much more value and will have slower depreciation.

CPU: $450 (5800x) GPU: $150 (1650 super) Storage: $60 (samsung 970 evo 250gb) PSU: $90 (silverstone sfx 500w 80 plus gold - there's probably cheaper options but most PSUs seem sold out on amazon) RAM: $70 (16gb 3200mhz CL16, gskill or team group) Case: $70 (Silverstone tek) Motherboard: $120 (asrock b550-m itx) There's your $1000 mac killer. I wouldn't call it a sensible build, but it should outperform the mac across…

Doesn't include monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, webcam, microphone, battery backup, and fingerprint scanner which would be necessary to make it "comparable" to a base model Macbook Air.

It also isn't a portable, fanless laptop which has its perks.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by stickyricky » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 5:19 AM UTC

ben-schaaf wrote: post #129

bhauer wrote: post #127

Can anyone explain the Redis numbers, specifically the 3900X versus 5800X [1]? The 5800X is showing numbers easily more than 2x the 3900X. I understand this is a single-threaded test, so the additional cores of the 3900X (12C/24T versus 8C/16T for the 5800X) do it no advantage. But I wouldn't expect the Zen 3 architecture to be that dramatically superior to Zen 2. [1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tuhdo/tuhdo.git…

This is pure speculation, but the Zen 3 cores have access to double the cache. In very specific workloads that could lead to a 2x speedup.

I agree. I also think the unified core complex means less cross ccx cache access routes.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by Ar-Curunir » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 5:34 AM UTC

superkuh wrote: post #124

Scarbutt wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still... $450 for the CPU only vs a $999 laptop, for most use cases the apple's MBA offers much more value and will have slower depreciation.

So, like normal, the value of a Mac is in appealing to others not doing things on the computer.

? What part of “M1 outclasses every similar laptop” indicates to you that the MBA is a machine targeted at people who don’t do serious computer work

(Whatever “serious” means)

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by tuhdo » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 5:37 AM UTC

zamalek wrote: post #118

> RAM: 64 GB DDR4 overclocked to 3733 MHz, stress testing 24 hours stable OP, it may be worth downclocking the RAM to 3600MHz (while tightening timings) unless you have a golden chip with >1800MHz Infinity Fabric. Decoupling IF and memory speed can cause huge latency (90ns on my 3950x). Obviously you want a baseline and benchmark from there, but you clearly know what you are doing.

My FCLK is also set to 1867, so no decoupling there.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by phamilton4 » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 5:44 AM UTC

This is pretty wild.

The M1 beats my Xeon E-2176M @2.7GHz with 64GB of memory in every test but Jython. (I'm on OpenJDK 15, which probably doesn't matter). Later tomorrow I'll try it on my 2700x based system.

45W vs 10W... Running these tests may have changed my mind on this little CPU!

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by spacedcowboy » Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 5:47 AM UTC

BearOso wrote: post #81

admiralspoo wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted. The M1 is ahead by 2-3x in performance per watt and highly competitive in performance/dollar. This result is indeed quite meaningless as Apple will have 16 high-performance core variants of the M1 soon.

> Apple will have 16 high-performance core variants of the M1 soon I doubt that’s coming soon. The M1 is a HUGE chip. The decoders and pipelines take up a massive amount of space, and the L2 cache is apparently unwieldy, too. They’ve focused on making a limited number of cores perform very well, but there isn’t enough room. They need another die shrink to add any more. I think the upcoming pro hardware will just be t…

It’s not that big, it’s ~120 mm^2. You can go to intel or AMD and find 750 mm^2 chips...

Apple have 2 advantages here.

- They don’t play in the low-cost arena, people expect a Mac to be a bit more expensive, so they have a larger cost budget to work with

- They don’t have to make a profit on the CPU in particular, whereas Intel and AMD do.

Apple want a 38-40% margin on the whole shebang, and if it needs a more expensive chip, then that’s what’ll happen, maybe taking cost-savings from (2), and of necessary adding price because of (1).

I would be shocked if Platform Architecture at Apple didn’t already have 8, 16, and 32-core variants of the M series up and running, or at the very least in simulation. They’re coming, and the world will change. Again.