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Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by bigbubba »

ipnon wrote: post #83
spoonjim wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly Zoom is on paper American but functions as a party organ of the CCP. That should make you curious about what other companies, or individuals working at companies, might be analogous.

They are not clearly a party organ. Ask a random person on the street if Zoom is a party organ of the CCP. They will tell you, "no, I'm pretty sure it's an American company, right?" I agree with you that this is a considerable problem. Zoom is practically a Chinese company in American clothing.

> They are not clearly a party organ. Ask a random person on the street if Zoom is a party organ of the CCP. They will tell you, "no, I'm pretty sure it's an American company, right?

Is your point is that something can't be clear if ignorant people are ignorant of it? That's inane. 'Clear' does not mean 'common knowledge.'

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by peteretep »

octoberfranklin wrote: post #110
camdenlock wrote: post #102

Are these sorts of investigations and revelations going to disappear now that the Democratic Party has been elected to power?

It's not a left vs right thing. If Mitch McConnell were Attorney General he would drop the case too. Basically most of our politicians (on both sides) have sold out to China and a very few haven't.

Bullshit. China bashing is a bipartisan vote winner. Two weeks ago a law that brought Chinese firms that want to be listed in the US under US accounting jurisdiction passed the senate 100-0

https://www.economist.com/business/2020/12/03/congress-wants...

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by mikeyouse »

astura wrote: post #127
rosywoozlechan wrote: post #16

There's even an FBI wanted poster for this executive: https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/counterintelligence/xinjiang-jin/...

Where did they get these pictures? They look like mugshots but he's not in custody.

Potentially passport photos? He was in the US after all.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by jcytong »

runawaybottle wrote: post #63

What are the chances these orders to co-opt people in China to do this is coming straight from the top of the CCP? There is a school of thought that provides a lot of analysis and evidence that the acceleration of the Holocaust was a bottom-up phenomenon (not a master plan made by Hitler years before). Hitler might have laid out details to exile the Jews, but there was no evidence he gave a direct order to begin full…

This seems to be the pattern. Obviously, when managing a country of 1.4 billion people, it is a major challenge to get every single directive in a precise and timely manner. Many of these directives need to be carried out by regular citizens and professionals so a lot of interpretation is left to the lower level leaders.

By only giving a high level ideology/direction, the top leaders give themselves room to manuver when things go sideways and can shift blame onto the lower level leaders' execution.

The system also seem to over penalize under-execution rather than over-execution.

Many examples can be found clearly demonstrated in Hong Kong as the integration with mainland China get sped up by the National Security Law. The recent freezing of exiled HK lawmaker Ted Hui's bank accounts along with his parents and family members accounts which was making global headlines and causing attention.[1]

It seems like the move was part of the high level "exterminate HK pro-democracy figures" but after the headlines, Ted Hui's bank accounts were unfrozen for a while which subsequently allowed him to move some of his funds. Shortly afterwards they were re-frozen [2]. Some believed that the execution went too far as to undermine the global trust in HK which would cost more to the regime so it had to retract to mitigate the damage.

This type of farce seems to happen more often as HK transition into a police state masquerading as a rule of law society.

[1]https://www.reuters.com/article/hongkong-security/former-hon...

[2]https://hongkongfp.com/2020/12/07/hsbc-re-freezes-accounts-b...

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by athenot »

vyrotek wrote: post #6

What other platforms compete with Zoom with comparable API integrations? We need features including: OAuth, Meeting scheduling, meeting link generation (without requiring user accounts), managing recordings, meeting status webhooks, etc. https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/api-reference/zoom-api

Webex API is here: https://developer.webex.com/docs/platform-introduction

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by archibaldJ »

I’m working on a ZOOM-alternative for online events and gatherings that uses twilio: https://lo.fish

It is built on eilixir & will be open-sourced soon. (The next step I’m looking to make it E2E.)

There are also existing ZOOM-alternatives like https://gather.town

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by wahern »

tehjoker wrote: post #99
rayiner wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Charges are based on evidence shown to a grand jury. The law presumes people are innocent until proven guilty, and we should give people the benefit of the doubt, but it’s totally reasonable to talk about the charges in a news context. Charges being filed means some meaningful threshold has been passed.

Charges filed means they've pissed off someone powerful, no more no less. It's up to you to evaluate the evidence based on what's publicly known. Generally when the government doesn't show its evidence, it should be treated with extreme skepticism.

Prosecutors aren't supposed to publicize their evidence as doing so is prejudicial to the defense. Of course, they sometimes do so, precisely for that effect.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by archibaldJ »

archibaldJ wrote: post #136

I’m working on a ZOOM-alternative for online events and gatherings that uses twilio: https://lo.fish It is built on eilixir & will be open-sourced soon. (The next step I’m looking to make it E2E.) There are also existing ZOOM-alternatives like https://gather.town

I’m also writing an introductory programming book on making your own video-conferncing app with React + Elixir (Targeting Gen Z mostly)

I’m looking for publishers at the moment. Will appreciate any tips on that. I can be reached at a at castella.art. Thanks!

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

rayiner wrote: post #96
sneak wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forget the charge - we should strive to presume the innocence of anyone charged with anything. Bringing charges is not evidence.

Charges are based on evidence shown to a grand jury. The law presumes people are innocent until proven guilty, and we should give people the benefit of the doubt, but it’s totally reasonable to talk about the charges in a news context. Charges being filed means some meaningful threshold has been passed.

"means some meaningful threshold has been passed."

In UK we've been putting innocent people in jail for 20 years, because of bugs in accounting software. It was going unnoticed and noone would believe them untill recently. We are talking hundreds of people.

If it happened to a single person, noone would ever find oit the truth.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/0138cd7d-967...

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