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Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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I’m on iOS primarily for this reason. If you don’t want to pay the Apple tax just get second hand devices. I just upgraded to the iPhone 8 and it’s perfect. Feels premium still. Does everything I need.

I never understood what Apple tax is. They deliver according to their price. It's just people don't realize the value.

I don’t disagree but their markups on storage and memory for example are way above normal market rates.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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I'm moving away from Android (after 10 years) to iOS for exactly this reason. Not much sympathy for FB on my end.

As a general tech enthusiast I jump back and forth between both ecosystems fairly often, but I have to wonder what's the point? If I'm not running any social media applications what do I have to fear from google not yet having this level of privacy toggling.

Apple App Store rules (will?) explicitly ban all kinds of tracking without permission. If you try, your app will quickly follow Fortnite to the abyss of banland.

The tracking permission is an OS level popup with strict rules on when, how and how often to display. The default is opt-out, it's up to the app maker to give users the incentive to allow tracking.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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I know my comment will get downvoted. But there's a lot of misconception about Facebook, and the other counter-arguments are worth mentioning too. Facebook does not sell our data, in fact, they keep it very secure. Facebook merely allows advertisers to target you based on your interests (which it learns from your activities). Advertisers cannot identify anyone, they just select categories for which they want their ad…

Or don't show ads.

I never bought anything from ads. Why do you even trust what they offer is any good? I'd rather search around and find what I actually want.

Ads only give you false impression it's what people want by reaching to users first.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Ugh. The more I think about this the more complicated it becomes. I think most people would be pretty ok saying "I'm a part of a classic car community on Facebook, so I get ads on Facebook for classic car things". I think people would be less ok with "I played a game on my phone while standing in an auto shop. Now I'm getting car ads on my news site because game accessed my location, shared with facebook, who then sh…

>I don't know how to make these different use cases clear without having pages and pages of explanation that nobody will read. Expose the logic. Put a "?" Icon button on the add that lists every data point used in the decision making process, who collected the data, when, and how. E.g: 1.1.2020 @ Starbucks on main st in 90210 you bought a medium coffee, a gift card, and a cookie. 1.3.2020 @ Barnes and noble you bough…

Even if that were possible it wouldn’t really explain why you got this ad vs some other one, so the explanation would fall flat. That is just “how” you got it not “why” you got it.

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This feature and fb's hate for it makes me seriously consider moving back to. iOS.

I would consider it except it often feels like iOS was designed specifically to aggravate me. I can hardly remember another interface I've used that was as painful. Is there any way to customize the UI on iOS or is it still just whatever apple decides for you? I remember jailbreaking used to be popular, not sure if people still do that

Some still do, but it's quite an effort to go through for not as many possibilities as there used to be. Most of the features that once required jailbreaking are already baked into the OS by now and theming is not as big as it used to be.

That being said, there are still some useful tweaks that convince people into doing it, and of course if one wants to just test their apps without worrying about signing them.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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I know my comment will get downvoted. But there's a lot of misconception about Facebook, and the other counter-arguments are worth mentioning too. Facebook does not sell our data, in fact, they keep it very secure. Facebook merely allows advertisers to target you based on your interests (which it learns from your activities). Advertisers cannot identify anyone, they just select categories for which they want their ad…

I don't use any facebook product and I don't consent to them collecting information about me. Since I can't stop them I welcome any tool that helps me stop leaking my data to them.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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I have zero sympathy for Facebook. If they claim to care so much about small businesses, they should start by committing to change how they respond to any upstart social app that dares encroach on what they see as their territory. That being said - and it pains me to say this - but there is absolutely truth to the fact that the style of targeting now possible on FB & Instagram has enabled an entire world of very smal…

Haha, yeah. FB's business model is everything wrong with us as people and capitalism: exacerbating the worst in us for greater engagement and clicks driving more and more to the FB ad machine. F that.

I wish Apple would go whole hog and drop the hammer on all tracking even going so far as to ban it from apps in the store, heck, don't stop there: make sign in with apple a requirement for all apps that require some sort of login and do away with social logins altogether.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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I have zero sympathy for Facebook. If they claim to care so much about small businesses, they should start by committing to change how they respond to any upstart social app that dares encroach on what they see as their territory. That being said - and it pains me to say this - but there is absolutely truth to the fact that the style of targeting now possible on FB & Instagram has enabled an entire world of very smal…

I am always surprised by the extent to which advertising seems to rely much more on tracking instead of context.

I have a bunch of different interests and hobbies, and a lot of the time I spend online is very easy to match to a fairly specific category - for instance, if I'm reading or watching videos about music production, advertise music software to me. If I'm reading about hikes or other outdoors type content, advertise outdoor gear to me. If I search travel destinations, advertise new suitcases to me.

Instead most of these behaviors of what I do go into a big pool of data about me, and then whenever they want in the future these music software companies or outdoor gear companies or suitcase companies can choose to advertise to me, even if they weren't willing to bid above the current price at the time I viewed this content. But there's probably a fall-off in effectiveness, if you wait and advertise to me weeks later I might be less likely to convert if that thing isn't top of mind for me right then.

So just anecdotally, it's not clear to me that niche businesses won't be able to exist with content-based advertising instead of tracking. A lot has changed in the past 10+ years on the internet, so it's not exactly easy to prove causality that tracking is what allows these businesses to exist today. Obviously FB knows better than anyone what works and they're upset with this change, so I'm sure advertising will take a hit, but I'm interested to see how it plays out and cautiously optimistic that it won't just kill niche businesses.

Edit: another example I just thought of is the Litter Robot, a high tech cat litter box. This must be a very high margin product because they are one of the most aggressive brands I've seen tracking me online, I've happened across their site a couple of times and then I see no other ads on Youtube or other sites for many days afterwards. I honestly do plan to buy one for my cats at some point, I just haven't pulled the trigger yet. So the ads probably will convert eventually. But I don't spend that much time viewing content about cats online (watching a random cute cat video online is probably not that highly correlated with being a cat owner). This might be the perfect example of a seemingly very useful, niche business that wouldn't be able to survive without ad targeting

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Yes, which is a situation begging for new entrants to make that scary thing easy.

The kebab shop around the corner won't think about "making a website", they won't try to find out whether it's easy or not. But they are personally on Fb, so they will easily click "create page" and fill in their opening hours and upload a smartphone photo of their menu card and their store front. It's extremely frictionless, and easy to start tiny.

Nobody is arguing with you about why people use Facebook.

The point is only that there is no fundamental reason this facility needs to be part of Facebook.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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>I don't know how to make these different use cases clear without having pages and pages of explanation that nobody will read. Expose the logic. Put a "?" Icon button on the add that lists every data point used in the decision making process, who collected the data, when, and how. E.g: 1.1.2020 @ Starbucks on main st in 90210 you bought a medium coffee, a gift card, and a cookie. 1.3.2020 @ Barnes and noble you bough…

But that's not how sophisticated machine learning algorithms work. Without knowing specifics, it gets us in the right ballpark to imagine they ingest all that kind of information and build an opaque representation of the user/customer, which allows various similarities to be computed between users and ads, regarding how likely they are to be receptive or how likely they will click. There's no short list of events you…

The ML algorithms are the ultimate "source: dude trust me"
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