Update: looks like most services are accessible again
Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage
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Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage
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Correct, I'm referring to e2e. My personal trust model is not to trust the server.
Right, I understand. It's still encrypted, though, just not in a way that you like.
IMHO, it is NOT encrypted, unless the service provider (also can't read your message). A promise from a Russian based company (the Facebook of Russia) doesn't put any assurances for me.
Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage
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It makes me sad those aren't new Signal users :(
I'll switch to signal when they have reproducible builds on iOS.
Oh, don't worry the Windows client is still crap as well. A few months ago I couldn't even launch from the Start menu and install was hanging until I found some obscure reference to deleting registry keys, a process which I haven't had to do for years.
Back in the old days I was in the registry daily.
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Why telegram and not signal?
Because few people care about privacy but many care about UI, UX & features. Telegram is better there than any other chat app by a susbstantial margin.
This, unfortunately. Matrix (Element) is ever so sloowly getting there, it's slightly better than Signal now in some areas and worse in others, but neither (nor whatsapp or any other messenger) come close to Telegram.
Wire is also a good contender but they seem to have found that if you don't sell user data, there is little money to be made from personal accounts and are focusing more on business accounts. You can still register and use it as an individual, though (and I continue to do so). It has more features than Signal and isn't funded by Facebook so that's a plus, but the UX is slightly worse than Signal.
Makes you wonder what Telegram is going to make money with though. It's a huge liability for me, just so damn convenient... Need to find a better alternative.
Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage
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Right, I understand. It's still encrypted, though, just not in a way that you like.
In the same way that FB, Whatsapp, and pretty much every other app works. I doubt there are any chat apps that don't encrypt between the client and server.
To be fair, when Telegram launched WhatsApp was still unencrypted. It was a big part of Telegram's marketing at the time.
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Why telegram and not signal?
why Signal and not wire? (no sim card needed), No need to allow access to your address book to make group chat. Works in browser, ios, android, desktop app. Using signal protocol. And you can draw in it.
why wire and not lockdown?
why lockdown and not matrix?
why matrix and not IRC on a self-hosted server?
why IRC and not HF packet radio
why HF packet radio and not OTP notes on flashpaper delivered by carrier pigeon?
this is the current problem i have with chat. there are too many options.
Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage
#137Whatsapp is extremely dominant in my country, but I keep encouraging friends and acquaintances to install Telegram. As far as I know, there won't be anything preventing FB from geoblocking European users when the company eventually gets in some serious trouble, like it just did in the US.
When did FB geoblock users in the US?
Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage
#138"But senators, we can't break up these three unrelated services because they all use the same messaging infrastructure!"
I laughed at this because I thought the same thing. Conspiratorial or no, that line of argument won't fly. Saying everything is so integrated that it can't possibly be decentralized is basically proof of monopoly.
I think the arguments will be
- FTC Approved these as as legitimate acquisitions
- Facebook has direct competitors that can overtake them in just a few years
- Instagram was made by a few python coders in months. This shows how easy it is to make a product that competes with Facebook
Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage
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Should be easy – SMS it's the "default" messaging app from a phone, isn't it?
How would my mom find it? She knows that the green Whatsapp logo is for talking to her friends. She probably wouldn't click the envelope looking thing. (I'm not being facetious - IMO HN readers massively overestimate user capability.)
I agree completely. My mom still doesn't really understand the difference between phone calls, calls over Facebook Messenger, and calls over FaceTime
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It's been a while since I studied routing, but have they fixed BGP security? I remember reading about the protocol and thinking something like: this seems awfully "hippie-trust" levels of security. Granted, this was 10 years ago so my recollection of BGP is super fuzzy :-D
nope. proper and full implementation of BCP38, MANRS, full RPKI validation of all IP ranges and such is a long distance away. within trusted groups of ISPs where the admins all know each other, in certain specific geographic regions, it's better than others.. I would say that the number of ISPs I could call "fully compliant" with current best practices, in the Portland-Seattle-Vancouver area, is higher than in many o…
As someone interested in the internal workings of the internet, do you have any further reading on current best practices?