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Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by gpvos »

echelon wrote: post #118
envy2 wrote: post #3

Excellent. Looks like they've removed the tests for RIAA member videos as the only change, which I assume helped get this restored: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/commit/1fb034d029c8b7...

It would have been fantastic if every test using RIAA copyrighted music had been replaced with public domain sources. Or, better yet, videos the maintainers created and uploaded themselves.

That won't work, because Youtube applies the particular sort of protection that those tests exercise only to copyrighted music.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by goerz »

toyg wrote: post #81
crumbshot wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And not even purged from the repo, it's still in the history if needed. Seems like the copyright holders making a big fuss over nothing really.

It's a shot across the bow, to achieve a chilling effect. They've achieved a few weeks of downtime, for now, and sent a message to the project that they're being watched. It might well not be the end of hostilities.

Seems to me they got much more of a Streisand effect than a chilling effect! ;-)

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by R0b0t1 »

shawnz wrote: post #130
envy2 wrote: post #3

Excellent. Looks like they've removed the tests for RIAA member videos as the only change, which I assume helped get this restored: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/commit/1fb034d029c8b7...

Shouldn't these tests be considered fair use since they are arguably necessary to validate interoperability?

Yes, and I unfortunately still see no argument related to the DMCA's provision that breaking copy protection is legal if you have a license to use the work. In this case, a license to use it via a specific browser is not mentioned, so you can rightly download it with anything.

This was the suspected cause for py-kms's reinstatement but as it related to Windows licensing.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by leafmeal »

dastx wrote: post #126
crumbshot wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And not even purged from the repo, it's still in the history if needed. Seems like the copyright holders making a big fuss over nothing really.

My experience has been that Github doesn't ever purge commits from the history. Even when you rewrite the history, all the dangling commits are still there and can be access. I've yet to find a way to force Github to do a gc so such commits are removed. Without Github running a GC on the repo, the commits will not be removed.

You can contact their support to do it for you, for example in the case of pushed secrets.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by josephcsible »

siddharthgoel88 wrote: post #84
josephcsible wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? GitHub didn't do anything wrong. They took this down because they were required to by law. It would have been the same story with anyone else.

What I meant is that they would rather do a self-hosting (Gitea, etc.) instead of using another platform to have ore control. Moreover, my statement was more of a speculation rather than an advice :-D

If you self-hosted, they could have just gone for your ISP or colocation provider.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by toomuchtodo »

xbar wrote: post #21
Torkel wrote: post #18

The amount of publicity this generated for youtube-dl is astounding... I would love for this to be a ”the plan to get rid of youtube-dl backfired badly for RIAA” ending. But I guess RIAA is reviled enough already so nothing they do really matters. So I suppose the hope is that some political will to change the laws around this arises from it.

True. It seems we need to wait for a generation of media-consuming legislators to age into the Senate to get past The Eagles complaining that their music is being "pirated" on Tik Tok.

Wait? No, no need to wait. Run for office, push out the dinosaurs.

"The chief penalty [of good people who refuse to lead] is to be governed by someone worse." -- Plato

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by toyg »

goerz wrote: post #133
toyg wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a shot across the bow, to achieve a chilling effect. They've achieved a few weeks of downtime, for now, and sent a message to the project that they're being watched. It might well not be the end of hostilities.

Seems to me they got much more of a Streisand effect than a chilling effect! ;-)

In terms of usage, yes. In terms of development, we'll have to see. I am an optimist, but I have to recognise that good devs tend to skew away from opensource projects that are in lawyers' crosshairs, because they bring more trouble than fame.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by owaislone »

gpvos wrote: post #131
echelon wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would have been fantastic if every test using RIAA copyrighted music had been replaced with public domain sources. Or, better yet, videos the maintainers created and uploaded themselves.

That won't work, because Youtube applies the particular sort of protection that those tests exercise only to copyrighted music.

Interesting. Do you know how hard it would be for someone to upload a bunch of original videos with same copyright as the videos in question?

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by redvenom »

ForHackernews wrote: post #34
bigbubba wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if RIAA lawyers believe themselves productive members of society, or if they recognize themselves as the parasites they are.

Everyone thinks they're saving the world. I'm sure the RIAA sleeps soundly knowing they're defending the rights of creative individuals to make a living and holding the line against the scourge of amoral nihilistic pirates.

I don't really think so. I think a lot of people are just doing something because it's a job. And a lot of people are sound with being sheep and just following the rules because they exist, and don't like the discomfort that comes with questioning everything on a deep level.
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