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Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by pen2l »

spaetzleesser wrote: post #111

I wonder how the fact that this is a German company relates to people in the US always being told that they have to pay multiples of international drug prices so the US companies can do the research the rest of the world is not doing.

One of the costliest things a pharmaceutical company does in R&D stage is clinical trials and scaling later on... and that's the reason why Pfizer was sought out for this. Of coure kudos to these German scientists, but much kudos should also be given to Pfizer for their integral role to play it out to the last mile.

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by oh_sigh »

ghoomketu wrote: post #3

> even on the day of their wedding, both made time for lab work. This would be the definition of pure passion and what it takes to accomplish something like this. These people are a totally different breed compared to people I know. Kudos to them for their achievements.

Imagine if it wasn't a lab(with all the positive associations of doing science), and instead they were middle managers or accountants. That kind of behavior would be considered unhealthy.

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

akie wrote: post #5

This Covid vaccine was created by a German company founded by the children of Turkish immigrants. In this time of open racism and public hostility to immigration, this needs to be pointed out and repeated. It was children of Turkish immigrants to Germany.

From a logical standpoint: If this should be pointed out specifically, should the same be done for crimes commited by immigrants? If not, isn’t that technically disingenious or at least a double standard?

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by HPsquared »

oh_sigh wrote: post #132
ghoomketu wrote: post #3

> even on the day of their wedding, both made time for lab work. This would be the definition of pure passion and what it takes to accomplish something like this. These people are a totally different breed compared to people I know. Kudos to them for their achievements.

Imagine if it wasn't a lab(with all the positive associations of doing science), and instead they were middle managers or accountants. That kind of behavior would be considered unhealthy.

Yes, that would indeed be a different scenario.

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by whatshisface »

bluGill wrote: post #126
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We understand a lot of old worries and so we know they don't apply. What are "old worries"? This is a new type of vaccine. > They have a lot of data from previous forms of this type of things suggesting it is safe. How does this make sense, given this is the first mRNA vaccine? The expression "previous forms of this type of things" is as blurry as it can get. > We know the that injected "things" break down very qui…

Old worries are whatever went wrong in previous medicine. (not just vaccines) > given this is the first mRNA vaccine? This is not the first mRNA vaccine, they have been using it against cancer for many years. They have had time to look for long term bad effects. If there are any they must be rare because none of been detected yet. >Heavy metals ... we also know when they are a problem and when not. This don't contain…

The worry is that an adverse effect would be discovered, but then every world leader would get on the phone one after the other, and call the lab to say "hey let's not let people know about this." Or more realistically, the same would happen but with lots of implicit gesturing and the design of subtle incentives, instead of direct phone calls.

"Better than covid" is also not a great bar to meet. The real bar is, "better than N months of covid, where N is the time until a better vaccine with fewer adverse effects is discovered."

So, these are both abstract speculations. It would be nice if you could put some knowledge to them. Do you think it would be possible for an adverse effect to go unreported, while being common enough to equal those N months of covid?

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #125
nmfisher wrote: post #115

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Governments are able to choose which nationalities are allowed entry via immigration policy. Some might find criminal representation very relevant to that policy decision. Perhaps you do not. That’s certainly your prerogative. But outright denying the relevance is absurd.

So make anonymized statistics about it. The nationality of any given individual who is alleged to have committed a crime, is not relevant.

And newspapers should report on those statistics then? That’s probably a lot more explosive than reporting individual cases.

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by nencrystation »

texasbigdata wrote: post #89
asdasdad12313 wrote: post #84

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It helps when you own the business, no? Unless people you know are all founders who happen to like frequent time off.

“Helps” is a funny term. Probably a) “has to as a last line of defense” or b) “can’t reasonably ask anyone else because it’s after hours etc” or c) it’s high conscientiousness. This probably won’t fly over very well on hacker news but the academic literature on CEOs and their work ethic, even down to physiological changes in their blood/saliva related to cortisol, suggests they work hard in general and make many sacr…

I actually cant think of a site where that would fly better, except machiavelli-suntzu-successwin-business-genius.org

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #130
kreft wrote: post #124

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If it turns out left handed people are significantly overrepresented in crime statistics, then yes, that would be interesting to know. Either something is wrong with the system or with left handed people. This notion of withholding information from voting adults just because it doesn't further a particular social engineering agenda is repulsive to be honest.

Oh come on, your argument is self defeating. If doxxing individuals would be the only way for a voter to learn "if left handed people are significantly overrepresented", you would need to make all properties of everyone public, because there could be significant overrepresentation for any property. And if you already know that "left handed people are significantly overrepresented" from some other source, you don't ha…

And your argument is a mix of a strawman and taking GP’s point ad absurdum. Not withholding information doesn’t equate to doxxing, and just because you can’t find out all the correlations doesn’t mean you shouldn’t even try to find any in the first place.

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by johnwalkr »

spaetzleesser wrote: post #110
johnwalkr wrote: post #92

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I feel like there’s a threshold for fame that needs to be met for giving credit in the English-language, mainstream media. A famous name like Stephen Hawking would get directly credited for a result. A less famous researcher’s result would get credited to their school (eg MIT). Outside of well known western names and institutions, the result would get credited to the country (eg China or Japan). The exception is unde…

That’s my observation too. Whenever something is reported they try to attach a big name to the headline. Be it “Harvard”, “Elon Musk” or something else. It seems this is another sign of inequality. The already famous get even more fame.

Yes! Elon Musk is a perfect example of this!

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by oh_sigh »

HPsquared wrote: post #134
oh_sigh wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine if it wasn't a lab(with all the positive associations of doing science), and instead they were middle managers or accountants. That kind of behavior would be considered unhealthy.

Yes, that would indeed be a different scenario.

Why? Can one not be passionate about accounting?
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