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Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by googthrowaway42 »

gamblor956 wrote: post #122
googthrowaway42 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was making a qualitative judgement. However, to your point election law differs form state to state so what you've said is nonsensical. In PA this is under review by the state and US supreme court: https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/110620zr_g31... Welcome to a crash course in civics.

This is actually not under review by the PA state courts, and the case was rejected by the SCOTUS twice already. Moreover, the segregated votes were not included in this projection, so the result of the case is irrelevant to the outcome of the election. Welcome to a crash course in reality.

> Moreover, the segregated votes were not included in this projection

False. That was fake news put out by the New York Times.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by gamblor956 »

googthrowaway42 wrote: post #107
gamblor956 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Requiring ballots to arrive by Election Day is the only reasonable thing to do. Otherwise you leave open the possibility of fraud as has been alleged in PA with multiple USPS workers coming forward and testifying that they witnessed backdating of mail in ballots. No, there are allegations of USPS workers coming forward from conspiracy boards. In truth, there were no such USPS workers testifying, or even claiming, any…

You're quite literally lying or severely misinformed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-D-2GOswwA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By7yNZsa8x0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6xOuhsiJw

Ah, Project Veritas, an organization whose founder has been convicted of fraud and who has a history of falsying and modifying evidence.

Fox News and One America refused to air these videos because they couldn't track down any of these supposed whistleblowers and in fact, Fox News said they couldn't find any proof that these supposed postal workers even exist.

Also, you do know that the USPS Postmaster is a huge Trump Supporter so any allegations of backdating involving the Postmaster would relate to backdating Republican ballots, not Democratic ballots? And in such case, Project Veritas has provided evidence of voter fraud by the current sitting president of the USPS.

Next time, you may want to think before you link.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by rayiner »

gamblor956 wrote: post #82
koolba wrote: post #72

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> Signatures are still required in Pennsylvania, Requiring signatures yet refusing to reject ballots for mismatched signatures isn't much of a requirement: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/pennsylvania-court-...

Signature-matching results in the rejection of more authentic ballots than invalid ones. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/signature-... The point of requiring signatures was never about preventing fraud, since it was never an issue historically. The requirements were issued in the 20th century to reject black votes, as at the time the requirements were passed, many black voters couldn't write.

States like Oregon and Colorado imposed signature requirements in mail in voting systems designed in the last few decades. Switzerland requires signatures for mail in votes too.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by aaomidi »

voisin wrote: post #129
aaomidi wrote: post #42

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A news agency doesn't have to cater to everyone.

This is unfortunately true, but important to point out that it is only a recent truth. Historically news agencies were neutral, striving to report unbiased news. Politicizing current events is relatively new and I do not think has been a positive innovation anywhere in the world.

No they absolutely were not.

News and media has manufactured consent and outrage since their inception.

They're directly responsible for uncovering heinous crimes and for causing them.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by gamblor956 »

googthrowaway42 wrote: post #131
gamblor956 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is actually not under review by the PA state courts, and the case was rejected by the SCOTUS twice already. Moreover, the segregated votes were not included in this projection, so the result of the case is irrelevant to the outcome of the election. Welcome to a crash course in reality.

> Moreover, the segregated votes were not included in this projection False. That was fake news put out by the New York Times.

False. That was actual facts put out by the Pennsylvania secretary of state, and reiterated by the local officials in every single district in the state of Pennsylvania.

All of the ballot-counting has been under the watch of observers on both sides of the aisle, including especially multiple Republican observers. Republican observers have confirmed that ballots that arrived after the deadline have either not been counted or have been counted separately from votes received on/by election day. If those segregated ballots were included in the count, Biden's lead would exceed 100k in PA.

The actual Republican partisans on the ground with actual knowledge of what's going on acknowledge that nothing illegal has happened in the PA vote count.

Your guy lost fair and square. Accept it and move on.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by googthrowaway42 »

gamblor956 wrote: post #136
googthrowaway42 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Moreover, the segregated votes were not included in this projection False. That was fake news put out by the New York Times.

False. That was actual facts put out by the Pennsylvania secretary of state, and reiterated by the local officials in every single district in the state of Pennsylvania. All of the ballot-counting has been under the watch of observers on both sides of the aisle, including especially multiple Republican observers. Republican observers have confirmed that ballots that arrived after the deadline have either not been cou…

False. Find me the statement. All they said was that the ballots had been segregated, not that they hadn't been counted.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by ModernMech »

makomk wrote: post #40
kmonsen wrote: post #15

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Also he is a sitting president with a decent economy. It takes a lot for an incumbent to not win re-election at that point. Somewhat sane coronavirus response and Trump would have an easy victory.

It's probably impossible for Trump's coronavirus response to have been seen as sane or reasonable, regardless of what he did. For example, Biden very publicly claimed without basis that Trump's China travel ban actually made things worse, whilst meanwhile here in the UK one of the avenues of attack on our government (which is seen as Trump-like) is that our scientists reckon that not introducing a ban on travel from…

It's one thing to put the best minds in charge of a no-win response and for it to fail. If Trump had put the best minds in the CDC and the NIAID in charge of the Covid response and just allowed them to do their thing (instead of undermining them at every turn), that would be one thing.

Instead he puts his son in law in charge of the Coronavirus response, so we are all left to wonder how it could have been if the experts were in charge. Maybe it would be different, maybe it's a no win situation like you said. But at least then we would know there was nothing more to do. No one would be wondering "Maybe things would have been different if Jared Kushner were put in charge of this..."

We all see the pandemic and how it affects our lives. When Trump tells us that it's no big deal, that it's a media hoax that will go away with the election, that doesn't make him look good. That's a choice he's making to do that. It didn't have to be this way.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by laverya »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #108
laverya wrote: post #98

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Trump appears to have done better with minority voters than any other Republican presidential candidate in recent memory, which will do something to counter the 'aging out' that you describe.

I haven’t dived into the exit poll data yet (by county, race, income, and age), but it really depends on which states those voters reside in. If they’re in states almost blue (Texas and Georgia, for example), it’s moot. Florida is likely a lost cause (between conservative minorities and the elderly), but you don’t need Florida to win national elections (clearly). If the electoral college is done away with, it’s also…

I don't understand your meaning. Texas and Georgia are almost blue at least partly because minority voters overwhelmingly vote blue, and the proportion of minorities has been increasing over time. Changing that vote share to 60-40 instead of 80-20 would do quite a lot to solidify republicans in those states.

And with Trump showing that it's possible to increase the Republican vote share among minorities... I'd expect political strategists to focus more effort there in the future. A self-fulfilling prophecy, in a way.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by brnt »

mmastrac wrote: post #8
neves wrote: post #5

Voter suppression. Voting in a working day. Need to register for voting. Legal battles. Inconsistent rules. A refusing to leave president. Is this the model of government that the USA bomb other countries for?

Unfortunately the red team has been working to disenfranchise as many voters as possible. The country is far bluer than the electoral map would suggest, thanks to years of voter suppression.

The thing is that Republicans, or more precisely, those on the right, aren't even hiding this. They openly state it. Republic, not democracy is the latest form of this rallying cry.

The financiers of the right are increasingly open about not wishing for a democracy in the US. The similarity here with the industrialists during the Weimar Republic is by the way striking.

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