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Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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You do realise how many they have sold, right?

Yeah, I bought some of them. I use none of them. There’s more demand for laptops.

Yes. There is more demand for laptops than Raspberry Pis. However, there must be a fair amount of Raspberry Pi demand out there considering they flogged over 30 million boards and I don't think that was to try and make 30 million crappy laptops.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Yeah, I bought some of them. I use none of them. There’s more demand for laptops.

Yes. There is more demand for laptops than Raspberry Pis. However, there must be a fair amount of Raspberry Pi demand out there considering they flogged over 30 million boards and I don't think that was to try and make 30 million crappy laptops.

They’re cheap toys that seem cool but end up having little practical use. My point isn’t that they’re useless, just that they have an awful lot of potential to be useless, and a lot of the time a laptop would be better.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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I'm a bit surprised that the raspi foundation made this - I would think this is the realm of build-it-yourself! Of course building it yourself is going to be more expensive than mass produced (and need very messy wiring), but you could at least get a nicer keyboard that way.

It still exposes the gpio pins. So if you want to build something with a pi (as opposed to for the pi) then this is actually quite nice. I for one ordered one (and am playing with it right now) because it's an incredibly low barrier way to dogfood some software projects on arm. I'm loving it, it's very different to an arm laptop, it's got more of a console feeling which is great :)

Sounds great. I got an Rpi 4 this year, my first contact with this world. I'm happy with my tv/media box (that I also use as generic linux cli environment)

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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One of my main concerns about the use of a raspberry pi as a desktop PC is microSD card write lifespan. microsd cards were not meant to be used as the boot disk for a live operating system. The amount of times you can write over one sector on them, and the write wear leveling algorithms, are much worse than even a $45 consumer grade SATA3 interface SSD. Yes you can now boot a raspberry pi from an external usb3.0 hard…

Write lifespan can be improvement if you make some similar as this: /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /var/log.hdd type ext4 (rw,noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro,commit=600) /dev/zram0 on /var/log type ext4 (rw,relatime,discard) Because zram is compressed ram disk: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/blockdev/...

Or for those using journald, use Storage=volatile in /etc/systemd/journald.conf and then `systemctl force-reload systemd-journald`. Remove /var/log/journal to get rid of the old persisted logs.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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I don't think HDMI audio extractors need a driver, either. The first one I could find claims compatibility with all kinds of source devices. It's probably entirely invisible to the source. I don't how know about HDMI DRM, but that's not a problem for the RPi.

They don't, but they can be finicky. Most can only extract audio if it's specifically sent as stereo, if the source sends audio as encoded 5.1 stream then most don't know how to decode that. So you will need support for being able to chose the output format over hdmi, which is where I imagine the difficulty in the RPi will start.

That makes a lot of sense, I guess it's either that or the adapter would have to somehow modify the EDID display capabilities to get the HDMI source to output PCM audio (or whatever the splitter accepts) only.

I wonder if it doesn't already need to do that for non-audio-capable HDMI sinks. (My first HDMI monitor didn't have speakers or even a headphone jack, and as far as I recall, the source computer could tell this somehow and wouldn't offer to send sound to the monitor.)

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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So going through the actual comments here, what this really needs to make a compelling product is: A built in touch pad, an audio jack, a full size HDMI port (even thought the accessory set includes an HDMI cable), an M.2 or SATA connector and a backlit keyboard. Anything else? Maybe an Intel processor, Windows, a built in battery and a hinged screen that folds down over the keyboard. Are we getting there yet?

Personally I'd far prefer a trackpoint to a touchpad. They're much easier to get right and take up less space.

+1 for a trackpoint. i ctrl+f'd trackpoint on this page, because it was the first thought i had when i saw the RPi 400

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

#139
post #41

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Personally I'd far prefer a trackpoint to a touchpad. They're much easier to get right and take up less space.

Other than a few outliers, the trackpoint format is dead to 95% of the market.

I really don't care how many other people like it. Other than to a few outliers personal computing is dead to 95% of the market. That doesn't mean it's not a good idea.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

#140

Can this be used as a keyboard for a normal PC?

I'd be interested in this is well, for the simple reason that this would de-clutter my desk when I'm using a desktop PC already and I wouldn't need to switch back and forth between two different keyboards.

It's somewhat similar to some all-in-one PCs where I think they don't look too bad, if only they came with a video input port so that you can use it as a display for other devices, or simply as a monitor should the PC part become obsolete some day.

From what I can gather, this is however not a built-in feature of the Pi 400 and will probably require some tinkering (which might be an interesting project in and of itself).

I also understand that the Raspberry Pi Foundation's goal is to offer this product at a certain price point, and that even though many of the wishes for additional features you can read in the comments here and elsewhere are each not unreasonable by themselves, every part that is added comes at an additional cost, and that they usually decide against it if it's something that is only used by a small fraction of the user base.

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