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Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

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Post by iamacyborg »

user5994461 wrote: post #80
arielm wrote: post #74

As someone who’s responsible for sending emails, all of the comments about “marking it as spam is easier than unsubscribing” really make me cringe. For several reasons: 1. If you subscribe to a list then please please please take the time to locate the very clearly marked unsubscribe link, or use the one that gmail or your other email client shows. I spend a lot of time making sure it’s suuuper easy to unsubscribe. 2…

>>> please please please take the time to locate the very clearly marked unsubscribe link You mean the one word link in font 6 hidden maybe somewhere at the bottom of the email if it's there at all? I have never seen an easy clearly marked unsubscribe in my life. When at look at my friends and parents who are not as computer savvy and often don't see things put in front of them, there is no way they would ever manage…

> I have never seen an easy clearly marked unsubscribe in my life.

Just a few easy to find unsub links from emails on the first page of RGE.

https://reallygoodemails.com/emails/stay-cool-during-summer-... https://reallygoodemails.com/emails/find-your-perfect-fit https://reallygoodemails.com/emails/download-the-new-sonos-a... https://reallygoodemails.com/emails/dad-approved

Not including the list-unsubscribe headers all these will have which are trivial to click in most modern email clients.

Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

#132

Post by user5994461 »

iamacyborg wrote: post #131
user5994461 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>> please please please take the time to locate the very clearly marked unsubscribe link You mean the one word link in font 6 hidden maybe somewhere at the bottom of the email if it's there at all? I have never seen an easy clearly marked unsubscribe in my life. When at look at my friends and parents who are not as computer savvy and often don't see things put in front of them, there is no way they would ever manage…

> I have never seen an easy clearly marked unsubscribe in my life. Just a few easy to find unsub links from emails on the first page of RGE. https://reallygoodemails.com/emails/stay-cool-during-summer-... https://reallygoodemails.com/emails/find-your-perfect-fit https://reallygoodemails.com/emails/download-the-new-sonos-a... https://reallygoodemails.com/emails/dad-approved Not including the list-unsubscribe headers a…

Spend 20 seconds on the page, couldn't see an unsubscribe button.

Tried to spend another 20 seconds in good faith, still couldn't find it. I honestly don't understand what is the strange layouts of these pages and where is the newsletter even supposed to be.

Spam that is.

P.S. If you're wondering, the news seems to be the left column, then go to the bottom. I don't think having to scroll through 3 screens of texts and pictures to find a button is easy. My not tech savvy parents and friends wouldn't be able to find it.

Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

#134

Post by iamacyborg »

robertelder wrote: post #130
BenjiWiebe wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not at all common anymore to use email replies for unsubscribing. All the marketing emails I get have unsubscribe links, and it's been that way for a few years at least.

I just checked a few newsletter emails in my inbox, and they all offer List-Unsubscribe: mailto: based unsubscription. From what I see, it is quite universal and more common than link-based unsubscription. Newsletter providers prefer not to use the url based unsubscription because some email providers will crawl the URLs in emails and automatically unsubscribe people without them knowing. It's also possible that you'…

> From what I've seen, the email-based way is the primary unsubscription method in use today.

It's not. Most people unsubscribe by clicking a link in the email.

What you're referring to is the list-unsub header which is again a different concept to what the person above you is saying regarding replying to an email and asking to be opted out.

Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

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Post by robertelder »

iamacyborg wrote: post #134
robertelder wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just checked a few newsletter emails in my inbox, and they all offer List-Unsubscribe: mailto: based unsubscription. From what I see, it is quite universal and more common than link-based unsubscription. Newsletter providers prefer not to use the url based unsubscription because some email providers will crawl the URLs in emails and automatically unsubscribe people without them knowing. It's also possible that you'…

> From what I've seen, the email-based way is the primary unsubscription method in use today. It's not. Most people unsubscribe by clicking a link in the email. What you're referring to is the list-unsub header which is again a different concept to what the person above you is saying regarding replying to an email and asking to be opted out.

It may very well be the case that users more often click a link to unsubscribe directly on the site more than they click the 'unsubscribe' feature in the email client (I don't have any stats on that).

The original question remains though: How does the stated service here work when there is only a List-Unsubscribe: header and no web form?

Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

#138

Post by dharmab »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #110

My e-mail address is on a 3rd party list that is sold repeatedly to marketers. The marketers do not employ unsubscribe links or provide a means to get off of their list in the e-mail. I'd rather not engage them and ask their source. Is there a way to learn who the original list holder is and get my address off?

This is illegal in the US under the CAN-SPAM act, with severe penalties. No legitimate company will send marketing emails without an opt-out.

If you don’t want to engage them, you should mark the email as junk. This flags the email in their email provider. If their rate of junk email increases too high, they lose their ability to send email through that provider.

Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

#140

Post by iamacyborg »

robertelder wrote: post #137
iamacyborg wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> From what I've seen, the email-based way is the primary unsubscription method in use today. It's not. Most people unsubscribe by clicking a link in the email. What you're referring to is the list-unsub header which is again a different concept to what the person above you is saying regarding replying to an email and asking to be opted out.

It may very well be the case that users more often click a link to unsubscribe directly on the site more than they click the 'unsubscribe' feature in the email client (I don't have any stats on that). The original question remains though: How does the stated service here work when there is only a List-Unsubscribe: header and no web form?

It's illegal (and mostly impossible with most ESP's) to not send a commercial email with a valid unsubscribe link.

If you're receiving email without one you're better off marking it as the spam it is.

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