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RIAA Obtains Subpoenas Targeting 40 YouTube-Ripping Platforms and Pirate Sites

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Re: RIAA Obtains Subpoenas Targeting 40 YouTube-Ripping Platforms and Pirate Sites

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Post by fsflover »

black_puppydog wrote: post #125

I read an interview with Gottfrid Warg (pirate bay co-founder) some years back. Can't find it now... What stuck with me was his disappointment that the wider torrent community simply relied on the pirate bay always making a return. There was no real effort to go beyond resilient hosting. No producing facts by superior technology. It was just a bunch of copy-cats playing whac-a-mole with the copyright industry. To par…

I prefer torrents inside I2P [0], because otherwise my IP will be shown to everyone. I wonder why there are so few people there. It's of course slow, but it's worth it. There are already quite a few torrent trackers.

[0] https://geti2p.net

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Post by Scoundreller »

autumn_unlaces wrote: post #77
itsoktocry wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Starlink might solve the issue of providing internet to far-flung places, which is great. But I'm skeptical they'll be able to massively undercut all of the telecom providers. Building, launching and maintaining a satellite constellation isn't cheap; it's still a question as to whether the economics will work at all.

The announced pricing for the current "beta" is $99/month plus $500 upfront for the hardware.

If it can offer anything near the speeds advertised without the BS of incumbents, I could see a massive amount of demand.

I figure 5% of consumers « served » by both cable and xDSL can’t get good service, and then they have virtually every rural customer that’s anything more than a low-data user. And I’d expect them to capture that one day with a « light » plan. It’s a massive market.

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Post by throw_m239339 »

macspoofing wrote: post #132
bdcravens wrote: post #116

Why is RIAA acting like it's 2002 all of a sudden?

That's a good question. Why is RIAA going after YouTube download software and not Google?

Ad backed music streaming has become an unexpected major source of income from music labels. That's also true for indies. I don't make money off youtube directly however my distributor claims videos using my music and I make money off ads on youtube indirectly. The payout isn't big, but it's not insignificant either.

I imagine a lot of major artists make good money off youtube too. They don't if someone just downloads their videos. In times where musicians can't make money off concert, it's even more meaningful. Google does work directly with all these music labels (VEVO and co...).

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Post by inetsee »

black_puppydog wrote: post #125

I read an interview with Gottfrid Warg (pirate bay co-founder) some years back. Can't find it now... What stuck with me was his disappointment that the wider torrent community simply relied on the pirate bay always making a return. There was no real effort to go beyond resilient hosting. No producing facts by superior technology. It was just a bunch of copy-cats playing whac-a-mole with the copyright industry. To par…

I recently noticed that LibGen has started using Cloudflare as one of its download options. I was somewhat surprised that Cloudflare would allow use like this.

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Post by letitbeirie »

TheDong wrote: post #121
Buttons840 wrote: post #98

Has anyone ever experimented with reversing the analog loop with machine learning? Generating the training data would be easy. Play audio files through a speaker and record the speaker with a microphone. Then you have the original and the analog recording. Train the machine to reverse the process. Now you can grab high quality audio from any source. Same could be done for video, but would require a more elaborate set…

> Generating the training data would be easy. Play audio files through a speaker and record the speaker with a microphone. Then you have the original and the analog recording. Train the machine to reverse the process. Now you can grab high quality audio from any source. Machine learning isn't this magic thing that can defeat math. The digital to analog process is lossy, and you're asking machine learning to reverse t…

> what you have is even more obviously a circumvention device

The device itself is just an "audio enhancer" - it could just as easily be used to spruce up the sound on old vinyl (pre-vinyl even) as it could to defeat copyright law.

The real issue with using it as OP intends is it's wholly unnecessary: the value in tools like youtube-dl is being asynchronous - you get the audio file without listening to the entire song first. OP's suggestion involving a speaker and a microphone is intrinsically synchronous, and it's a lot more work for lower quality than e.g. using Audacity to record the lossless digital audio off your sound bus.

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Post by stevens37 »

Once (~10-15y ago) I was thinking about a OTP based "2 component glue file sharing solution". You take a piece of data (audio,video), generate a real random one time pad then make an XOR delete the original and share the 2 random files using any media or network. Then share also the info that this and that files are the 2 component glue.

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Post by black_puppydog »

inetsee wrote: post #135
black_puppydog wrote: post #125

I read an interview with Gottfrid Warg (pirate bay co-founder) some years back. Can't find it now... What stuck with me was his disappointment that the wider torrent community simply relied on the pirate bay always making a return. There was no real effort to go beyond resilient hosting. No producing facts by superior technology. It was just a bunch of copy-cats playing whac-a-mole with the copyright industry. To par…

I recently noticed that LibGen has started using Cloudflare as one of its download options. I was somewhat surprised that Cloudflare would allow use like this.

well if they didn't notice before, they will now, that their engineers can read it on HN :D

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Post by Buttons840 »

bayindirh wrote: post #112
Buttons840 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Light pollution adds noise to telescopes too. From a sky where you can barely see 4 stars you can pull detailed colored images of deep space objects. Perhaps you have to play the media a few dozen times and do the media equivalent of frame stacking to see through the noise. It's also quite possible no ML would be needed. I don't think frame stacking uses ML. I wouldn't be surprised if you could play a song on repeat…

It's not the same thing. A CMOS sensor, especially a cooled, astro-class CMOS sensor is much more sensitive than eye. The random noise in photography is emitted from the sensor itself and has a distinct profile. This profile can be extracted with certain procedures and can be used as a single pass NR process with very high quality results (Darktable's Profiled NR does this if the camera's profile is generated/bundled…

That is a thoughtful and useful reply. Thank you.

From what you say, stacking can remove both random noise from the sensor and predictable noise such as light pollution. What other kinds of noise are there? It sounds like our noise removal ability is pretty good.

I am not an expert though. I do know we can't image the Apollo landing sites no matter how good our stacking software is. Our sensors aren't good (big) enough. I don't have an understand of why that is though.

An analog loop would have hard limitations, just like a telescope. I'm not sure how much noise stacking could clean up. At this point I'm more curious than thinking it's a good solution.

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Post by happy-dude »

black_puppydog wrote: post #125

I read an interview with Gottfrid Warg (pirate bay co-founder) some years back. Can't find it now... What stuck with me was his disappointment that the wider torrent community simply relied on the pirate bay always making a return. There was no real effort to go beyond resilient hosting. No producing facts by superior technology. It was just a bunch of copy-cats playing whac-a-mole with the copyright industry. To par…

In a strange twist of irony... This was what copyright was meant to do: promote a diverse body of works while protecting existing ones.

It should come to no surprise that notable torrenting sites have many low-effort imitators. If anyone could copy stuff already out there, why spend the extra effort to innovate?

I'm all for open-source, but I recognize the value of copyright (and how it protects FOSS-licensed material) and healthy competition and innovation.

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