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Re: Falling five storeys from a New York rooftop changed my life

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Post by intricatedetail »

watertom wrote: post #87
ReactiveJelly wrote: post #43

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> Doctors are taught to be hypervigilant regarding "drug seeking behavior" which is pretty much a 1:1 list of behaviors of people whose suffering is "genuine." Slate Star Codex wrote about this: https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/09/16/against-against-pseudo... Basically, an addict wants to look genuine, so a lot of genuine patients have to put up with stuff designed to cut off addicts. Like the scary "FBI warning" that…

Flinging yourself from a 5 story building in order to “look genuine” get fentanyl must be pretty common in NYC.

Some doctors take pleasure in telling patients in pain that they make it up and suggest they are just drug junkies looking for a hit.

Re: Falling five storeys from a New York rooftop changed my life

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Post by WalterBright »

codeproject wrote: post #127
WalterBright wrote: post #65

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My father served in the 8th Air Force at a time when the odds of completing a tour were about 20%. The airmen had various ways of coping with this, my father's way was to simply accept that he wasn't going to make it and just do his job as best he could. He told me that after the war, whenever he felt down, he'd think about what a miracle it was he survived, and would feel better. He lived to be 93.

God Bless Your Father. He is a great man. Gold bless you.

Thanks! I've often wondered what I'd do in the same situation. But my father put it as he took those risks so I wouldn't have to. I'm grateful to all our combat vets. We should never forget what they did for us.

Re: Falling five storeys from a New York rooftop changed my life

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Post by corobo »

klyrs wrote: post #76
corobo wrote: post #58

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I understand where they're coming from but could they not loosen the rules for the person who has a clearly visible injury? Could they not check the chart? Is there even a chart anymore?

There's plenty of chart, but far more hubris. In my experience, everybody writes in charts, but the rare doctor who reads them is a saint.

Personally I'd be focused there than making sure addicts don't get a bit of free medication.. that's bizarre and quite scary.

Re: Falling five storeys from a New York rooftop changed my life

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Post by sgerenser »

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ramraj07 wrote: post #106

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This is thoughtful but stupid because it goes in the wrong direction - new York is already at being close to the pinnacle of protecting people from their own stupidity so to speak - does this person take zero responsibility for ambling in the dark on an unknown terrace without looking _while_ drunk? When do we tell people they are just clumsy and need to own up to it? Many new york rooftops are closed for this reason…

> Amsterdam doesn't mandate helmets for bikers The whole Netherlands, in fact. I was under the impression that very few countries mandate helmets for cyclists. Australia, NZ, anywhere else?

In the U.S. most states have a helmet law but only for children: https://www.helmets.org/mandator.htm

Re: Falling five storeys from a New York rooftop changed my life

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Post by brooklyndude »

intricatedetail wrote: post #131
watertom wrote: post #87

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Flinging yourself from a 5 story building in order to “look genuine” get fentanyl must be pretty common in NYC.

Some doctors take pleasure in telling patients in pain that they make it up and suggest they are just drug junkies looking for a hit.

I have worked with with healthcare professionals for decades, have never once met seen an MD or nurse take pleasure in seeing a patient in pain. I’ve interviewed over 10,000 people to date.

We live in two different computer simulations I guess.

Re: Falling five storeys from a New York rooftop changed my life

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Post by brooklyndude »

You are seen everyday by a team of MDs if in a NYC hospital. I have been in a very similar situation, yes one of those “it’s a miracle you are alive” scenarios. I was run over by a truck. There are morning rounds, EVERY patient is seen. Everyone.

MDs just don’t “stop coming by”, this is an absurd statement.

> As my discharge date approached, the occupational therapists stopped coming by and so did the doctors. After a week in the hospital, the staff were ready for me to leave, and I was, too.

Re: Falling five storeys from a New York rooftop changed my life

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Post by emptyparadise »

kls wrote: post #34
papeda wrote: post #4

From the end of the article: > To come so close to death does not provide a shortcut to wisdom or contentment. It doesn’t answer all your questions or eliminate your weaknesses. I’m fundamentally the same person I was before, but with one big difference. I’m viscerally aware how tenuous our existence is. How you can be walking on solid ground only to find it suddenly disappear from beneath you. The meaning comes in w…

Years ago I had a legitimate attempt by taking a combination of a full bottle of opiates and benzos (A pretty deadly combination). I was pretty hell bent on being dead. I know at the time, my thoughts where use a gun (I am a big second amendment advocate, so was not going to be a statistic in the argument), carbon monoxide, pills or hanging. The reason I bring this up, is I actually think there are two main branches…

I wonder if there's a way to jolt one's brain into the right place for the first scenario without coming as close to death as possible. Seems like there's a lot more out there for thrill seekers than tired people.

And I have to say, having experienced the tiredness but not the "tipping over" I find myself pretty afraid sometimes.

Re: Falling five storeys from a New York rooftop changed my life

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Post by Dahoon »

oumua_don17 wrote: post #85
Dahoon wrote: post #41

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After i was cured from cancer I also got another look on life. One thing I did was get a motorcycle again and I left my girlfriend. Better to enjoy life right now than live in the future (dreaming of when/if). Now I got another girlfriend and know real love and ride motorcycles with her. Wish I woke up earlier though but better late than never!

A wise man once said “a good partner brings happiness. A bad partner brings wisdom. Take your pick and go for a ride” :)

Those words match my situation exactly!

Re: Falling five storeys from a New York rooftop changed my life

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Post by klyrs »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #123
ReactiveJelly wrote: post #43

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> Doctors are taught to be hypervigilant regarding "drug seeking behavior" which is pretty much a 1:1 list of behaviors of people whose suffering is "genuine." Slate Star Codex wrote about this: https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/09/16/against-against-pseudo... Basically, an addict wants to look genuine, so a lot of genuine patients have to put up with stuff designed to cut off addicts. Like the scary "FBI warning" that…

> Basically, an addict wants to look genuine, so a lot of genuine patients have to put up with stuff designed to cut off addicts. It's much stupider than that. Addicts want the drug. So all of the indicators of addiction are actually indicators of wanting the drug. So anyone who wants the drug is, ipso facto , an addict. There's no element of addicts trying to look more genuine. Look at that list of red flags: - Comp…

Moreover, addicts suffering withdrawal are... suffering. This is the reason I put quotes around "genuine" in my original comment. The distinguishing factor between suffering from withdrawal and suffering from another source of pain is a moralizing judgement call on the doctor's part.
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